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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by rbanffy on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:12PM (#43209827)
Zelensky has nothing to lose at this point. If he takes the deal Trump proposed Ukraine will be paying the US and Russia for having been invaded in 2014 and again in 2022. And let’s not ignore the fact it was the US was propping up the politicians suggesting joining NATO and not renewing the lease on Sevastopol in 2015.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by just-ok on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:11PM (#43210999)
Nothing to lose besides thousands more lives, of course.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by cbg0 on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:46PM (#43211794)
No real security guarantees also means tens of thousands of lives lost when Russia gets back into gear and tries to take Ukraine a second time.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by dagenleg on Friday February 28, 2025 @07:08PM (#43213745)
Second time? More like fourth time. First there was Crimea, then Donbas, then the current invasion.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by cbg0 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @02:32AM (#43216882)
You are correct, I should have said "again".
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by just-ok on Friday February 28, 2025 @05:19PM (#43212383)
Why would Russia bother going through this again?
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by relaxing on Friday February 28, 2025 @05:28PM (#43212519)
The same reason they did it the first time.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by netsharc on Friday February 28, 2025 @07:16PM (#43213842)
Because after bribing Trump with the ability to brag that he won the USA 500B of minerals, they will be able to march in without any US interference...
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by just-ok on Friday February 28, 2025 @07:26PM (#43213940)
That doesn’t answer the “why?” at all. To what end?
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by usernomdeguerre on Friday February 28, 2025 @08:29PM (#43214514)
Are you asking people to read the mind of Putin? Or speculate? It seems reasonable to believe that at the very least Putin wants the territory he attempted to take when he first invaded, Kyiv et.al.

Why would that change if he hasn't?

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by just-ok on Friday February 28, 2025 @10:17PM (#43215389)
Because both Ukraine and Russia have changed? Ukraine is war torn, deeply in debt, and no longer provides the strategic benefit to Russia it might’ve in ‘22. Russia’s economy and populace needs to recover from being war-oriented.

They have their land bridge to Crimea now, and if I had to speculate, they’d be happy with a neutered neighbor that can’t join NATO, essentially a populated DMZ. I can’t see what benefit in wanting to take Ukraine on again after the dragged out meat grinder it was this time around.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by usernomdeguerre on Friday February 28, 2025 @11:01PM (#43215722)
So speculation then. Here's some more: because it won't be a dragged out meat-grinder if he has a puppet US administration/political party.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by cbg0 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @02:34AM (#43216900)
> Ukraine is war torn, deeply in debt, and no longer provides the strategic benefit to Russia it might’ve in ‘22.

Expanded access to the Black Sea and natural gas/minerals were and still are very important to Russia. Aside from these, a total victory would allow Putin to cement himself as a conqueror in Russian history books.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by insane_dreamer on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:04PM (#43212946)
The deal was a sham -- it came with no guarantees.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by joyeuse6701 on Friday February 28, 2025 @09:10PM (#43214857)
Don’t victim blame.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by s1artibartfast on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:31PM (#43210151)
That is the real disgrace. This was a setup from day 1. A win-win to degrade Russia either way at Ukraine's expense.

I wish Zelensky made those points instead. "The US voted to open a NATO path for us, The US asked not to renew the base, and the US refused to negotiate with Russia when tanks were on our boarder. And now you want to walk away?"

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by fulladder on Saturday March 01, 2025 @02:58AM (#43217064)
Who do you think should pay for those invasions? Currently, it is the US/EU taxpayers.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by rbanffy on Sunday March 02, 2025 @04:35PM (#43235412)
I'd suggest the US, because they propped up the Ukrainian politicians who started saying it out loud they would join NATO (a big No-No since the fall of the URSS) and not renew the lease on Sevastopol (Russia's only naval base that operates throughout the year), but I'd settle with Russia, because, after all, they were first to cross the border with tanks.