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Re:Mozilla's new Terms of Use causes confusion among Firefox... by ParetoOptimal on Friday February 28, 2025 @01:05AM (#43202220)
If Mozilla wants to limit their use of my input, *why the do I need to give them a full, non-exclusive license*?
Re:Mozilla's new Terms of Use causes confusion among Firefox... by jackvalentine on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:06AM (#43203014)
Right? Non-exclusive is good because I can licence to others too as I see fit.

What is the legal meaning of “full”?

Surely I only want to grant a limited non-exclusive licence where the limit is for the use of the browser and the expiry is immediately after I stop using the browser.

Re:Mozilla's new Terms of Use causes confusion among Firefox... by WarOnPrivacy on Friday February 28, 2025 @01:43AM (#43202473)
Specifically, it's boilerplate to prevent Firefox for being dinged for bog-standard browser behavior, presumably in jurisdictions where that might be a possibility.

Here's the clarification from Mozilla:

        We need a license to allow us to make some of the basic functionality of Firefox possible. Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example. It does NOT give us ownership of your data or a right to use it for anything other than what is described in the Privacy Notice.

    The new policy merely allows Firefox to function as it always did, to help users visit web pages, allow the browser permission to store your personal information such as form data, or to access a file that you wanted to upload to a website.
Re:Mozilla's new Terms of Use causes confusion among Firefox... by aedC0fGXvjdxa on Friday February 28, 2025 @01:50AM (#43202515)
I guess this is to avoid legal issues with the embedded translators and/or the Orbit AI Assistant.
Re:Mozilla's new Terms of Use causes confusion among Firefox... by jniles on Friday February 28, 2025 @08:31AM (#43205360)
If that is the case, I wish they would just say that. Currently, it is written as a Rorschach test where each person sees the good or evil they want to in the changes.

Just say why and be done with it.

Re:Mozilla's new Terms of Use causes confusion among Firefox... by aedC0fGXvjdxa on Sunday March 02, 2025 @12:05AM (#43227555)
I agree, they should make it clear.
Re:Mozilla's new Terms of Use causes confusion among Firefox... by perks_12 on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:51AM (#43203741)
Oh, nonono, there is absolutely no confusion. Firefox starts selling your data, that is all there is. Look at these changes [0]. This is not some legal ass covering, either you get paid for user data or you don't. Mozilla just cleared the way for that to happen. Now there is no reason left to stay on Firefox, we can all just enjoy the speedy yet stable poison of our overlords at Google. https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b...
Re:Mozilla's new Terms of Use causes confusion among Firefox... by mozball on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:44AM (#43204581)
I am sorry but it is possible to write a privacy policy or Terms of Use that is clear, concise and reassuring to users. If a statement or word is confusing they can use the next sentence to clarify what that means. Whatever ambiguity in wording is clearly intentional on Mozilla's part. For what? Maybe for their new AI play (mozilla.ai) or their impending integration of "Privacy-Preserving-Ads" .[1][2]

Firefox is being enshittified.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30305770

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41311479

Re:Mozilla's new Terms of Use causes confusion among Firefox... by GuestFAUniverse on Friday February 28, 2025 @02:04PM (#43209105)
Whenever a PR department of an authoritative side is speaking of "confusion", I call it BS.

The onus is on them to use clear phrases. A dialogue would be alright (We meant... You interpret... Let's rephrase...). But single-handedly blaming the other side? Considering that amount of backslash? That's nothing but lame.