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Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by eta_carinae on Tuesday July 31, 2012 @04:37PM (#4319472)
Pretty damning:

> One of these phones (the bottom-right one) became the Samsung F700 - a product Apple once included as an infringing product, but later withdrew once it learned Samsung created it and brought it to market before the iPhone

The more this thing goes on, the more it feels like Apple is filing all the possible lawsuits they can more in order to slow down their competitors than because they have valid claims.

I miss the days when they did not need to do this because their products were simply better than the competition.

Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by sien on Tuesday July 31, 2012 @05:48PM (#4319804)
Apple spent years suing MS in the 1980s and 1990s because of claims that MS used ideas from Apple, rather than Xerox, in creating a windowed shell for an OS.

So the days when Apple thought they didn't need to do this were the days of the Apple II.

Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by rbanffy on Tuesday July 31, 2012 @07:46PM (#4320317)
The Xerox GUI (as implemented in the Star) had no concept of drag and drop or pull down menus. It didn't expose much of a file system (as Lisa and Mac do).

Apple added all that and Windows 1, after the Lisa was launched, opted to also have them. So, yes. Both Apple and Microsoft borrowed a lot from Xerox, but Microsoft really copied a lot from what Apple did.

Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by zik on Tuesday July 31, 2012 @11:40PM (#4321080)
Xerox had the first "fixed drop-down menu". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_i...

Apple's Jef Raskin did come up with drag-and-drop though so that's pretty much the one original thing they did.

Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by masklinn on Wednesday August 01, 2012 @02:10AM (#4321412)
> so that's pretty much the one original thing they did.

The Star didn't have overlapping windows either I believe (Atkinson believed it did, so he implemented it). I think the clipboard was invented for Lisa as well.

Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by rbanffy on Wednesday August 01, 2012 @05:43AM (#4321981)
Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by taligent on Tuesday July 31, 2012 @07:07PM (#4320128)
Curious that you decided to leave out the 2000's decade. In a coma or something ?
Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by Gigablah on Tuesday July 31, 2012 @07:23PM (#4320202)
> In a coma or something ?

Was that necessary?

Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by drivebyacct2 on Tuesday July 31, 2012 @09:11PM (#4320611)
Read his comments, he's basically a pro-Apple, anti-Google troll.
Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by guelo on Tuesday July 31, 2012 @06:38PM (#4320018)
The saddest part is that it looks like Apple is successfully killing HTC. At least Samsung has been able to fight back.
Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by fpgeek on Tuesday July 31, 2012 @10:12PM (#4320829)
Especially since all the nitpicking about what Samsung did or didn't do and what is or isn't ok in that is completely irrelevant for HTC.

HTC has had their own design language for quite some time. If you can't immediately tell the difference between an HTC phone (or tablet) and an iPhone (or iPad) when they're put next to each other (and I've seen plenty), you either have rocks in your head or you're lying.

Apple suing HTC is the easiest way to see that they're not going after "copyists" (whatever they are), they're going after competitors wherever they can, by hook or by crook.

Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by _djo_ on Wednesday August 01, 2012 @07:31AM (#4322282)
Actually, looking at comparative sales figures, it looks like Samsung is killing HTC by gobbling up its customers. The Apple lawsuits have a minuscule impact in comparison.
Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by InclinedPlane on Tuesday July 31, 2012 @05:40PM (#4319762)
What days were those? Apple has been filing these sorts of lawsuits for ages and ages.
Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by woobar on Tuesday July 31, 2012 @05:34PM (#4319742)
This been discussed a million times already:

"the phone was first introduced at the 3GSM World Congress that was held in February 2007. Sales to the European market started November 2007" [1]

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_SGH-F700

Edit: typo

Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by blinkingled on Tuesday July 31, 2012 @05:43PM (#4319779)
Samsung filed a patent for the phone's design in Dec 2006. Must have been working on it at least some time before that. iPhone was introduced on Jan 9, 2007.
Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by stock_toaster on Wednesday August 01, 2012 @02:03AM (#4321394)
I thought samsung manufactured large portions of the first iphone. I am sure apple spent more than a few months testing, designing, and working with manufacturing partners to build parts to spec, etc.

I make no assumption on whether they did or didn't, but couldn't samsung have cribbed some notes during that timeframe?

Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by blinkingled on Wednesday August 01, 2012 @08:51AM (#4322565)
From the recent comments of Samsung design chief the Samsung subsidiary making parts for Apple is different and independent from the one that makes smartphones. Samsung smartphones division competes for parts same way Apple does -- they don't always use Samsung made parts in fact.

Other problem is that Samsung only makes some parts of the iphone -, there is no reason to think they had finished product design before the iphone was announced.

Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by stock_toaster on Wednesday August 01, 2012 @12:47PM (#4324006)
Ah. Great info thanks.
Re:Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen d... by woobar on Tuesday July 31, 2012 @06:05PM (#4319873)
My argument is mostly about this bit "Samsung ... brought it to market before the iPhone".

Also, I saw Korean patent reference in the article I've linked to. There is no proof of that patent. Korea patent search [1] probably broken. Doesn't return any phone patents or design patents applied for in December 2006

[1]http://detseng.kipris.or.kr/ndetsen/loin1000a.do?method=logi...