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Re:The XB-70 (2019) by FpUser on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @06:23PM (#43178816)
>"If the US is going to maintain a credible deterrent against China then something has to change. Either defense spending has to go up or we have to drastically scale back activities in other areas. And no, cheap AI drone swarms won't replace the capabilities of something like a B-21."

Assuming the US would actually need B21 capability in a war with China. Those will be probably blown up from the sky very fast. Besides I doubt wars with China and / or Russia will be limited to conventional means. Will probably escalate to nuclear very fast and then everybody is royally fucked.

Re:The XB-70 (2019) by nradov on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @07:50PM (#43179397)
Nah. Everything we know about the B-21 indicates that it's probably pretty survivable against the Chinese air defense system. Especially for stand-off strikes near the Taiwan Strait where it wouldn't have to overfly radar stations. The design was literally optimized for exactly that purpose.

Ironically the B-21 is probably safest in the air. The greatest kinetic threat is on the ground because forward air bases generally lack hardened aircraft shelters or effective missile defense. This is another reason why maintaining deterrence against China will require a major increase in defense spending or realignment of priorities.

The whole point of procuring a platform like the B-21 is to never have to use it. The strategic calculus is that just having it gives the US a range of conventional options short of global thermonuclear war, and thus forces adversaries to be more cautious.

Re:The XB-70 (2019) by TheOtherHobbes on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @05:26AM (#43182465)
The greatest kinetic threat is from drone swarm attacks, which can be delivered to the vicinity of an airbase from a handful of anonymous-looking trucks or vans.

One or two grenade-strength shrapnel devices are enough to make a $700m dollar special project useless.

Re:The XB-70 (2019) by nradov on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @08:56AM (#43183617)
How does a truck drive to Diego Garcia?
Re:The XB-70 (2019) by WillPostForFood on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @11:37AM (#43185302)
There is a major shipping lane that runs SE of Diego Garcia.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:72.1/cente...

You could try a surprise drone attack from a container ship. Looks like the closest ship is about 125 miles away, that might be pushing the range a bit.

Re:The XB-70 (2019) by ben7799 on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @09:40AM (#43184008)
It's hard to believe the B-21 would ever be stored at a forward missile base.

They'd likely take off from the US, fly wherever they need to go for their mission without landing, and then fly all the way back to the US. Same as the B-2.

Similarly it's unlikely a drone strike is an issue due to distance.

Re:The XB-70 (2019) by uticus on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @10:46AM (#43184748)
> It's hard to believe the B-21 would ever be stored at a forward missile base.

Not a "missle base", but: "The B-52...is one of two currently at RAF Fairford in England as part of a routine Bomber Task Force (BTF) deployment." [0]

Also, more pertinent to location in scope, US has been increasing forward-based capabilities in south pacific, for example [1].

[0] https://www.twz.com/air/b-52-flies-close-to-border-of-russia...

[1] https://www.twz.com/air/massive-wwii-b-29-bomber-base-fully-...

Re:The XB-70 (2019) by ben7799 on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @10:49AM (#43184782)
I should not have said "missile base". I just meant any kind of forward base outside the US.

The B-52, etc.. is just different. It's not as high value of an asset as the B-2 or the B-21 will be and gets treated differently.

Re:The XB-70 (2019) by nradov on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @06:05PM (#43189309)
The Air Force already periodically deploys B-2's to forward bases within range of Chinese missile strikes.

https://www.pacom.mil/Media/News/News-Article-View/Article/2...

Current plans are to purchase a relatively large number of B-21's. Some losses are expected and accepted.

Re:The XB-70 (2019) by nradov on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @05:59PM (#43189266)
Believe it. Forward basing would be the only way to generate useful sortie rates in that type of conflict. Transiting even from Hickam just takes too long and requires too much tanker support. We're already short of tankers; they're wearing out and not being replaced quickly enough.
Re:The XB-70 (2019) by runjake on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @07:04PM (#43179096)
I think any war with China would be predominantly economic and cyber. I don’t think it’s viable for either party to perform a mainland strikes and I don’t think it would become nuclear, but who knows. If things escalate during the current POTUS’s term, I think it will come down to meetings and deal-makings, because that is POTUS’s passion and preferred way.

I think any war with Russia would be, well is, economic and cyber and proxy wars.

Re:The XB-70 (2019) by spankalee on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:29PM (#43179638)
> I think it will come down to meetings and deal-makings, because that is POTUS’s passion and preferred way

Current POTUS is an egomaniacal moron. Things could very easily get out of his control, especially as he dismantles the US government and sources of influence throughout the world.

Re:The XB-70 (2019) by FpUser on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:55PM (#43180097)
>"I think it will come down to meetings and deal-makings, because that is POTUS’s passion and preferred way."

Don't you think it looks more attractive than going up in flames?

Re:The XB-70 (2019) by rbanffy on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @06:55AM (#43182855)
> because that is POTUS’s passion and preferred way.

Just like he surrendered Ukraine to Russia. An amazing deal for everyone involved, except Ukraine.

Re:The XB-70 (2019) by ge96 on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @07:20PM (#43179196)
> Those will be probably blown up from the sky very fast.

Why do you say that? I'd think B21 is better (stealthier) than B2. I think there is a story about a B2 dropping a dud on NK undetected granted NK vs. China