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Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by defrost on Monday February 24, 2025 @03:14AM (#43156971)
There are still many current issues; eg: the Dakota Access Pipeline was routed to pose a threat to native water supplies and avoid being a threat to non native water.

There are still native women alive who were given "free sterilisation" (ie unrequired, undeclared and unasked for sterilisation procedures) while having appendixes removed, kidney operations, and straight out made up procedures as an excuse to carry out eugenics ideals of breeding out Indians. IIRC some of those "doctors" are still alive.

Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by throwaway2037 on Monday February 24, 2025 @04:04AM (#43157329)

    > There are still native women alive who were given "free sterilisation" (ie unrequired, undeclared and unasked for sterilisation procedures)
I tried to search about this on Google. No recent reputable sources found. Can you share your source?
Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by clarionbell on Monday February 24, 2025 @05:15AM (#43157847)
You know how in the first half of 20th century there was this big scare about overpopulation? There were books, films, studies, and lot of that leaked into the medical profession, often with a eugenics involved. Lot of experts, and highly educated people, believed that it is necessary to stem the number of births, in interest of the ignorant masses. This included Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood in US.[1]

To make things worse. Supreme court legalized forced sterilization with Buck v. Bell in 1927.[2] All in line with consensus of medical professionals. It didn't really get overturned by the way, just sort of overridden by later laws.

Add some racism into this mix, and guess who will get hurt the hardest? This didn't just happen in America. Entire world embraced this, because it was seen as modern and progressive.[3] And medical professionals, trained to believe it, performed procedures for decades, even after the mores have changed, basically out of habit.

And it's still happening today, in UK for example, it's still perfectly legal for state to enforce sterilization.[4]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Eugenics

[2] https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep...

[3] https://www.ochrance.cz/uploads-import/ENGLISH/Sterilisation...

[4] https://www.bbc.com/news/health-31128969

Edit: I forgot to add article specifically about native americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_Americ...

Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by mschuster91 on Monday February 24, 2025 @05:49AM (#43158079)
> Add some racism into this mix, and guess who will get hurt the hardest? This didn't just happen in America.

It also happened in Greenland [1], Israel [2] (against Ethiopian Jews, the effect of this has been called into question [3]) or in Russia [4].

Homo homini lupus est.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66990670

[2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-...

[3] https://www.jstor.org/stable/26554851

[4] https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/10/23/years-of-stone-age...

Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by drysine on Monday February 24, 2025 @07:29AM (#43158753)
> Add some racism into this mix

>> or in Russia

That's not correct.

The article describes a case where over the course of ten years more than a dozen of Russian women living in a facility for people with mental development issues were tricked into consenting to sterilization. It created a nationwide scandal when became public and was under investigation by law enforcement authorities.

Nothing racist, nothing systemic.

Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by mschuster91 on Monday February 24, 2025 @07:45AM (#43158899)
> The article describes a case where over the course of ten years more than a dozen of Russian women living in a facility for people with mental development issues were tricked into consenting to sterilization.

Unfortunately, asylum inmates getting sterilized is a very common and sad thing to happen...

Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by drysine on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @04:11AM (#43169744)
>asylum inmates getting sterilized is a very common

Citation needed

Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by defrost on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:26PM (#43179617)
Pick a country, pick a time frame, it varies. _very_ common might be a stretch, but that it happens at all is a problem.

For interest, in California in the USofA,

  By 1979, long after the peak of the 1930s eugenics movement, California sterilized an estimated 20,000 people, deemed unfit to reproduce, without their consent. The practice ended in 1979 for state hospitals and in 2010 for state prisons, when eugenics laws were finally repealed. 

  An exposé from The Center for Investigative Reporting in 2013 revealed 148 women were sterilized without proper approval from 2006 to 2010, and a separate state audit found that the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation oversaw the illegal sterilization of 144 inmates from 2005 to 2013.
( from: https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/03/force...)

shows that eugenic type sterilization procedures continued after the laws allowing them were repealed in 2010.

Yes, I realise that "the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation" isn't an "asylum" but given the nature of modern US mental health treatment there is now considerable overlap.

What is more recent and alledged to be ongoing is unconsented abortions and sterilizations in ICE centres, eg: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/reproductive-abu...

( there are multiple ACLU articles about different aspects of this ).

Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by drysine on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @03:14AM (#43181785)
Thanks for caring to respond, I didn't know that and was too skeptical to even google
Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by airhangerf15 on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @10:34AM (#43173223)
What happens when they do get pregnant and must raise a child while also dealing with weekly or daily hallucinations that no drug seems to treat?
Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by Cthulhu_ on Monday February 24, 2025 @05:27AM (#43157933)
https://text-message.blogs.archives.gov/2022/08/25/an-indige... contains paperwork from a legal case from 1974. Given that a lot of this happened back then, I don't think you'll find any "recent reputable" sources, but are you willing to accept older material?

There's also https://repository.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2129&...

Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by defrost on Monday February 24, 2025 @06:03AM (#43158155)
As others have pointed out this was a practice that continued into the 1960s and 1970s .. hence my statement that "some women that had these procedures w/out their consent are still alive" and that "some of the practitioners are also".

  In the 1960s and 1970s, the Indian Health Service (IHS) and collaborating physicians sustained a practice of performing sterilizations on Native American women, in many cases without the free and informed consent of their patients. In some cases, women were misled into believing that the sterilization procedure was reversible
~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_Americ...
Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by throwaway2037 on Monday February 24, 2025 @08:59PM (#43167206)

    > are still alive
I misread this part. You are absolutely right. I thought you were saying recently (women under 30).
Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by defrost on Monday February 24, 2025 @09:15PM (#43167305)
No drama, easy mistake to make.

I would point out, though, that any child sexual abuse happening right now, any sly sterilisations going on today is likely to remained buried for a couple of decades .. just going by a century or so of history on this type of thing.

Reporting of shitty behaviour is getting better and more immediate in the digital age, which gives us hope .. but lack of current reporting isn't always evidence of lack of current activity.

Re:Partnering with the Shawnee Tribe for Civilization VII by ptsneves on Monday February 24, 2025 @04:22AM (#43157441)
This still does not excuse punishing third parties to the facts you mention. By that logic we can cheat and exploit Germans, including people not alive during the holocaust, because there are still victims alive. Collective punishment is against the Geneva convention. What times we live in...