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Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by IceHegel on Friday February 21, 2025 @01:54PM (#43131405)
I'm sympathetic to the J.D. Vance angle, which is that European governments are increasingly scared of their own people. This is not doing a lot to change my mind.
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by gnfargbl on Friday February 21, 2025 @04:18PM (#43133107)
To give you a counterpoint: from this side of the pond it is extremely surprising to see how effective Vance's speech has been in distracting a good proportion of the American public. Which, I have to suspect, was the real point.
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by kelnos on Friday February 21, 2025 @04:11PM (#43133015)
Governments should be scared of their people, though not in the way that I expect Vance means.

It's certainly better than the opposite, where citizens and residents are scared of their government, which wields the power to deprive them of their freedom, possessions, and life.

Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by dennis_jeeves2 on Friday February 21, 2025 @08:21PM (#43135121)
>Governments should be scared of their people, though not in the way that I expect Vance means.

A guillotine once in a while for some politicians/bureaucrats will do some good. There is a rich history of the French doing it. I'm not even trying to be funny.

Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by deelowe on Friday February 21, 2025 @02:33PM (#43131889)
Then Vance should do something about the 5 eyes which is likely the source of this sort of thing.
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by duxup on Friday February 21, 2025 @02:17PM (#43131680)
I think the US government has made these kinds of requests too, similar tactics such as mass data collection without a warrant and so on.

I don't think it is "scared" as much as just the usual human desire to do whatever the task is ... without thinking of the consequences.

Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by Cornbilly on Friday February 21, 2025 @02:16PM (#43131669)
The unspoken part of that is Vance likely thinks that the people should fear their government.
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by bilbo0s on Friday February 21, 2025 @02:54PM (#43132158)
True.

It's a very unwise position Vance takes.

The world would clearly be better run if all governments feared their people, than it would if all people fear their governments.

The UK can pull this kind of stuff precisely because they do not fear any consequences from their people.

Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by buzzerbetrayed on Friday February 21, 2025 @11:00PM (#43135970)
This sounds more like what you want to be true than anything. Your comment reveals nothing of JD Vance, and a lot about your own biases.
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by Cornbilly on Saturday February 22, 2025 @02:04AM (#43136789)
He likened Trump to Hitler and then ran with him. That reveals everything about Vance.
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by saagarjha on Saturday February 22, 2025 @02:07AM (#43136811)
Unlike your comment, obviously.
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by pathless on Friday February 21, 2025 @02:00PM (#43131481)
This unexpected news really cemented that point for him.
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by mihaaly on Friday February 21, 2025 @02:42PM (#43131999)
Very wrong conclusions.

They are not scared of people, but of working, doing their job, especially when it is difficult (catching criminals). They expect the job to be done for them by others, on the expense of everyone, while they collecting all the praise.

On sympathetic to Vance I did not really found a presentable reaction, would not find on any other accidentally agreeable sentence leaving his mouth (very low chance btw.). Talking a lot about all kind of things sooner or later will hit something acceptable, which will not yield an unacceptable and destructive to society figure sympathetic.

You also should be aware of practices and conducts the various US security services practice (and probably all governemnts out there), if not from news or law but at least from the movies. When we come to the topic of who is afraid of their own.

Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by rdm_blackhole on Friday February 21, 2025 @03:06PM (#43132307)
Exactly, it's the same thing with the Chat Control law in the EU and it reminds me of the scene in the movie Office Space where the consultants are trying to figure out who is doing what in the company.

Basically instead of doing their jobs, the cops expect Apple, Meta et al to intercept all the data, then feed it into some kind of AI black box (not done by them but contracted out to someone else at the taxpayer's expense) that will then decide if you get arrested within the next 48H (I am exaggerating but only slightly)

What are the cops doing instead of doing their jobs? That's my question. Aren't they paid to go out and catch the criminals or do they simply expect to get the identity of people each day that need to be investigated?

Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by RIMR on Friday February 21, 2025 @02:51PM (#43132114)
Well put. It's pretty much impossible to sympathize with Vance saying this when the administration he is a part of is scaremongering about "the enemy within".
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by nobankai on Friday February 21, 2025 @02:27PM (#43131800)
And yet it is the senators we have to trust in America to responsibly disclose our own surveillance overreach: https://www.techdirt.com/2023/12/11/letter-from-sen-wyden-to...

Face it: bugging your smartphone is a bipartisan effort. Nothing we've seen from the past 30 years of presidential administrations indicates otherwise. JD Vance is the pot calling the kettle black, and he knows it too.

Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by tene80i on Friday February 21, 2025 @02:20PM (#43131728)
This is the continent that saw the birth of the Nazi party. There are, sometimes, very good reasons to be scared of the people.
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by tene80i on Friday February 21, 2025 @03:42PM (#43132721)
Absolutely baffled why this has been downvoted. If you disagree at least say why. This site really confuses me nowadays.
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by nobankai on Friday February 21, 2025 @08:21PM (#43135117)
Sorry, I explained myself but was downvote and flag-brigaded before the message stuck. You'll have to enable showdead on your profile to read my thoughts.

> This site really confuses me nowadays.

That much is worth agreeing on.

Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by dtquad on Friday February 21, 2025 @04:53PM (#43133518)
J.D. Vance's problem with Europe is that we have too many brown people.

As a very privacy-oriented European I don't need American alt-right populists to concern troll about surveillance and privacy in Europe.

Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by bongodongobob on Friday February 21, 2025 @05:34PM (#43133872)
What the fuck? They should be. They absolutely aren't right now and that's a major problem.
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by odiroot on Friday February 21, 2025 @05:57PM (#43134125)
On our continent, the obvious solution to every problem under the sun is "more state".
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by randunel on Saturday February 22, 2025 @03:32AM (#43137262)
You might be unaware of FATCA, then.
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by blitzar on Saturday February 22, 2025 @03:45AM (#43137321)
I am unsympathetic to those that lecture others on not doing the very thing they are doing.
Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by retinaros on Saturday February 22, 2025 @03:57AM (#43137375)
lol. ask JD Vance what he thinks about Assange or Snowden.