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Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by reaperducer on Thursday February 20, 2025 @08:47AM (#43114567)
Starting August 20, 2025, any apps downloaded from the Amazon Appstore will not be guaranteed to operate on Android devices.

This is why I ignore people who hit their "walled garden" macro every time an Apple thread appears on HN. I just don't trust alt stores.

Sure, choice is a great thing. But if you want to dump lots of money into some random "app store" run by who-knows-who in who-knows-where for who-knows-how-long? Go for it. Not me.

It's bad enough that I've had at least a dozen apps disappear from my iDevices over the years because the companies running them went out of business, pivoted, exited, or otherwise disappeared or stopped supporting their product. The last thing I want is for an entire app store's worth of apps to suddenly go away.

You can't even trust the big companies, let alone the little ones. Remember when Microsoft closed its e-book store?

Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by 999900000999 on Thursday February 20, 2025 @09:58AM (#43115459)
If I want to spin up a CI/CD pipeline to build an Android app that takes 30 seconds. I send you or anyone else the link and you can test it out.

With Apple I need to beg for my dev account to be approved, pay 100$ a year, and submit it via test flight.

If more than X numbers of people use it , ohh no I have to publish it via the app store. If it pleases King Cook, may I publish a game for my friends to play.

Google is starting to restrict Android too, custom system roms aren't as popular anymore, but theirs still a sense it's my phone.

With Apple, it's still Apple's phone, you've just purchased a revokable license to use it in accordance with the terms you agreed to.

Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by lukeschlather on Thursday February 20, 2025 @09:27AM (#43115038)
> It's bad enough that I've had at least a dozen apps disappear from my iDevices over the years because the companies running them went out of business, pivoted, exited, or otherwise disappeared or stopped supporting their product. The last thing I want is for an entire app store's worth of apps to suddenly go away.

This happens just the same on iOS when Apple drops support for a device. First-party stores are not a defense against this. It's theoretically easier to plan for, but you're still at the mercy of Apple's support window.

Once upon a time you could download an app and it would work indefinitely, but that's not the way any modern app-store based systems really work. What Amazon is doing here is probably less impactful than when Apple kills certain APIs and breaks a bunch of apps with an update. (I'm certain Amazon and Apple both do estimated math about the number of devices/apps/users they're breaking, and I'm also certain just based on volume that Amazon is breaking fewer people/apps with this change than Apple does routinely.)

Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by thesuitonym on Thursday February 20, 2025 @10:53AM (#43116192)
It's my understanding that the majority of people who want alternative app stores for iOS don't necessarily want something like an Amazon App Store, but rather something like F-Droid.

I would love to be able to install weird, open source apps on my iPhone, the same way I could on my Android phones.

Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by 10729287 on Thursday February 20, 2025 @08:50AM (#43114605)
Totally agree, but unfortunately people (forgive and) forget and that's why those companies keep on doing this.

I myself forgot Microsoft once (cough) sold e-books.

Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by evilduck on Thursday February 20, 2025 @09:38AM (#43115192)
PlaysForSure was also a great name.
Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by kstrauser on Thursday February 20, 2025 @10:52AM (#43116177)
Bonus points if it had been accurate.
Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by Uvix on Thursday February 20, 2025 @01:09PM (#43118070)
Did Microsoft ever sell directly? They had Microsoft Reader but I thought all the stores were third-party.

However, Amazon did at one point in time sell ebooks in multiple formats pre-Kindle, one of which was Microsoft Reader. (I assume the others were PDF and Mobipocket.) So they have form for closing up shop and killing access to purchases like this.

Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by mattl on Thursday February 20, 2025 @09:43AM (#43115250)
Or when Microsoft closed their music store.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_Music

Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by CivBase on Thursday February 20, 2025 @08:50AM (#43114604)
I don't follow this logic. Amazon did something bad on their app store so now walled gardens are good?
Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by reaperducer on Thursday February 20, 2025 @08:56AM (#43114658)
I don't follow this logic. Amazon did something bad on their app store so now walled gardens are good?

No, the logic is that several large companies (Amazon, Apple, Microsoft) have done bad things on their app store, so no stores can be trusted. But for me, I trust a big name store more than I trust an small unknown store.

Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by CivBase on Thursday February 20, 2025 @01:02PM (#43118001)
I'm not sure what "small unknown" stores you might be referring to. Surely Amazon qualifies as a "big name" store same as Apple or Google, right? Clearly this event shows a big name is not an indication of consumer protection.
Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by reaperducer on Thursday February 20, 2025 @03:46PM (#43119955)
Surely Amazon qualifies as a "big name" store same as Apple or Google, right?

Yes. That's why I listed it right next to Apple and Microsoft in my response.

https://www.rif.org

Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by CivBase on Thursday February 20, 2025 @08:12PM (#43122886)
Yeah I read that. Your comment about "small unknown stores" threw me off because none of the parties involved with this story are small so I'm not sure what it has to do with the discussion.
Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by 9question1 on Thursday February 20, 2025 @08:58AM (#43114678)
Walled gardens are good because if you insist on picking your fruits only from the wilderness due to moral principles you're gonna get mauled by a bear some time. Sure, you might prioritize feeling morally superior, but the majority of society is more practical
Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by Shawnecy on Thursday February 20, 2025 @09:07AM (#43114784)
This is an absurd false dichotomy. You can pick fruits from the wilderness and not get mauled by bears. Using apps not in walled gardens has nothing to do with attempts to feel morally superior.
Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by jasonjayr on Thursday February 20, 2025 @09:23AM (#43114979)
You teach people to stay the hell away from bears, and everyone is better for it.
Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by jmb99 on Thursday February 20, 2025 @09:50AM (#43115336)
So the moral here is, only use alternative app stores that are run by companies larger than Amazon?
Re:The Amazon Appstore for Android devices will be discontin... by CivBase on Thursday February 20, 2025 @09:07AM (#43114783)
Isn't the better analogy that you insist on being able to get fruits from anywhere - including neighboring towns or the wild - and not just the local marketplace?

Yeah I could get mauled by a bear if I get my fruits from the wild. But that's probably not a risk with the vendor from a neighboring town.

And if there's a fruit I can only get from the wild, who are you to tell me I can't have it? Maybe I get mauled by a bear. Maybe I get robbed in the neighboring town. But what else am I to do when what I want isn't available at the local marketplace?