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Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by becquerel on Saturday February 15, 2025 @04:03AM (#43057076)
Maybe I am just way deeper in this space that any well-adjusted person should be, but the line of 'did you know LLMs are bad with niche factual information tasks in non-verifiable domains?' has become extremely boring to me. It feels very hard to find something actually new to say on the topic. I find it amazing people still feel the need to talk about it. But then again, I guess most people don't know the difference between a 4o and an R1.
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by khazhoux on Saturday February 15, 2025 @04:06AM (#43057101)
What's bothersome is the undertone of "Behold! For I have demonstrated that the entire world is led astray!"

This is every person in 2007 who looked at an iphone and thought "What's the big deal?" and not only failed to recognized what had changed, but confidently insisted others were wrong.

Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by ben_w on Saturday February 15, 2025 @04:42AM (#43057273)
> This is every person in 2007 who looked at an iphone and thought "What's the big deal?" and not only failed to recognized what had changed, but confidently insisted others were wrong.

That was me. Well, the first half — I wasn't confidently insisting others were wrong, because even back then I had a vague inkling even then that my preferences in general are very weird.

But to AI: I think this is more like Wikipedia, where the frequent errors made it the butt of many jokes, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUApUyurxwY

Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by homebrewer on Saturday February 15, 2025 @09:19AM (#43058688)
We've been through so many of these hype cycles before, the vast majority of which came to nothing, that it pays to be cautious. Are you sure it's the second iphone situation and not a repeat of the cryptocurrency bubble, which was at its peak just a few years ago? And is yet to find any applications besides financial speculation?
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by oa335 on Saturday February 15, 2025 @10:41AM (#43059257)
> This is every person in 2007 who looked at an iphone and thought "What's the big deal?" and not only failed to recognized what had changed, but confidently insisted others were wrong.

That’s an uncharitable take. People are pointing out its problems precisely because they believe AI is going to be transformative, but will have negative consequences for humanity as well.

I think it’s more akin to someone in 2007 seeing an I phone and saying: this is a terrible device, people will look at while driving, it will be used to create vast intrusive surveillance state, etc.

Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by bongripper on Saturday February 15, 2025 @04:08AM (#43057118)
The author may not be as smart, educated, hot and successful as you, but the fact that today, people around the world, including students and educators, use LLMs as knowledge machines and take their output at face value shows that such critical posts are still urgently needed.
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by me_me_me on Saturday February 15, 2025 @04:46AM (#43057293)
There are people who take Wikipedia or Russia Today as a source of unbiased truth

Can't change lazy people

Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by iamnotagenius on Saturday February 15, 2025 @05:49AM (#43057582)
Wikipedia or even Russia today is not advertised to be a source of unbiased truth.
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by mdp2021 on Saturday February 15, 2025 @06:14AM (#43057676)
You may be interested to know that some extremist biased guts-be-more-dignified-than-cortex outlets around the world are named "The Truth" (I follow the press from many places).

The failure of education in teaching Critical Thinking around the world is massive. It would be a good idea to focus on how to exploit LLMs to improve the situation.

Also because, given the situation, the same "forces" that promote viscerality shamelessly naming it "The Truth" could have the opposite idea about chatbots and similar areas, exploiting them in their direction...

Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by me_me_me on Saturday February 15, 2025 @06:35AM (#43057773)
And LLMs are advertised as such?
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by iamnotagenius on Saturday February 15, 2025 @06:45AM (#43057821)
Well there is general perception of being "advertised as such" from those who push LLMs and keep hyping them up as "PhD level performing" systems.
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by me_me_me on Saturday February 15, 2025 @09:25AM (#43058728)
You are just making shit up now.

Give us an example of LLM company claiming to be a source of true facts or just stop.

Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by iamnotagenius on Saturday February 15, 2025 @10:58AM (#43059451)
If you talk to me in disrespectful manner you can go screw yourself.
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by me_me_me on Saturday February 15, 2025 @12:12PM (#43060163)
I am not the one making shit up as a way to prove my point buddy
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by iamnotagenius on Sunday February 16, 2025 @07:02AM (#43067387)
fuck off, I am not your buddy, asshole.
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by me_me_me on Sunday February 16, 2025 @06:02PM (#43072683)
My friend, how about you admit you got caught with your pants down, making shit up?
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by iamnotagenius on Monday February 17, 2025 @06:11AM (#43077618)
Bitch you do not seem understand, that even if you think you are right you need to show respect to the person you are talking to.
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by me_me_me on Monday February 17, 2025 @08:07AM (#43078583)
Why would I do that to a person making shit up and then throwing cheap insults in a tantrum? Time to face the music my guy.
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by iamnotagenius on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @05:20AM (#43088034)
fuck you autist.
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by me_me_me on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @07:47PM (#43097129)
Brother, your anger issues might be connected to your making shit up issues. Maybe look into it sooner than later
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Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by dang on Thursday February 20, 2025 @06:01PM (#43121588)
We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines. You simply can't do this here, regardless of how provocative another commenter is or you feel they are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by dang on Thursday February 20, 2025 @06:01PM (#43121582)
We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines.

Doing this will eventually get your main account banned as well, so please don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by xtracto on Saturday February 15, 2025 @09:08AM (#43058582)
Or worse... think of what a lot of extremists in the middle east take as truth! It's writings waaaaay older than the Wikipedia.
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by Ma8ee on Saturday February 15, 2025 @10:54AM (#43059394)
You don’t have to go as far as the Middle East. A significant part of the US electorate takes the Bible as true.
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by 6510 on Saturday February 15, 2025 @05:15AM (#43057411)
This is a good thing, accepting some stuff written some place as true and repeating it uncritically greatly contributes to human stupidity. To quite a friend of mine: But then I would have to question everything!?!
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by britch on Saturday February 15, 2025 @04:55AM (#43057326)
I am not surprised by the result of this article, but LLMs are marketed to be used to get factual information on non-verifiable domains.

Ads shows kids asking for answers to homework on things like "when did xyz battle take place"

Your frustration with people talking about it might be better directed at the people marketing it

Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by jmull on Saturday February 15, 2025 @07:15AM (#43057944)
> I find it amazing people still feel the need to talk about it.

From what I see, not very many people understand the limitations of LLMs (e.g., scroll up and down the very page you're reading now). This stuff probably needs to be talked about a lot more.

Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by ginvok on Saturday February 15, 2025 @08:57AM (#43058512)
If something is bad or wrong and not fixed yet, people have/need to criticize. What's so wrong about that?
Re:If you believe in "Artificial Intelligence", take five mi... by eviks on Saturday February 15, 2025 @09:25AM (#43058732)
That's ok, its value isn't in exciting you, but warning the better adjusted ones