if you list of the Nazies came into power, converted the Weimar Republic into a autocracy and you don't get hung up on things which are specific of their time but instead take the concepts behind them (e.g. "fear mongering and hate against a minority and persecuting them the moment they get in power" instead of "persecution of Jews") then what we are currently seeing is _exactly_ the same
Naturally if you only look at Nazi Germany in it's final form and treat Hitler as a singularity of evil instead of a product of his time it's really easy to not get that.
And yes, sure, there being a absurd amount of similarities doesn't mean that the US will next start mass killing Jews.
Actually if you look at the similarities and for a moment for argumentative reasons assume it will get as bad as Hitler Germany then it still wouldn't be genocide of Jews ... but genocide of "illegal criminals" like Trump loves to say using the same kind of hate speech tools Hitler used for Jews, just using modern language and a different minority instead. Through again if we assume it gets as bad. The point here isn't (at all) that "Trump is Hitler" but that the US is on very dangerous slippery slope to autocracy and fascism which even could (but doesn't has to) end up with some form of genocide because in additional to the checks-and-balances of the US being kinda a joke by now the starting building blocks for genocide are all there too (building of a concentration camp outside of their soil, having a ton of people they want gone from the US but which often have no place to go, using intentional dehumanizing languages systematically and increasingly, starting to dehumanizing and delegitimizing of other minorities too, constantly rilling up of people by the head of the state, systematic removing of checks and balances, increasingly unchecked executive, private forces which do "especially sensitive tasks" (through atm. no private militarized forces), asking people to be loyal to the ruling power instead of the constitution, systematic reinterpreting the constitution in definitely not intended to be that way ways, putting people in power for loyalty with a cause instead of competence, ton of open and less open megalomania, tons of tons of excuses being put out with the intend to reason for unreasonable, cruel actions not possible in a state of law, did I mention rule by emergency edict? (just called executive order), sizing of assets, etc. etc.)
I noticed there are a lot of fascists on hackernews. A lot more than you'd ever guess. That's where down votes are coming from. They just got emboldened by current events in USA and around the world to expose themselves.
If you think Nazi is a remotely valid way to describe what’s going on then you’re probably spending too much time online surrounded by catastropists, and have lost touch with reality.
Ok.
I don't think the administration has any serious intention of annexing territory.
I don't think the administration's opposes migration, only illegal migration, which is not a partisan opinion.
He gave two fascist salutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smQNNo2a9xc
> I think that comparison is based on superficial mechanistic similarities
It looks exactly the same. These guys think so: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-mus...
This guy too: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1i68puj/have_we_l...
Sometimes things are exactly as they appear to be.
It is disappointing that we are pretending someone with the responsibility Musk carries couldn't foresee what his own body movements portray. He was at best trolling, and that is a pretty shitty thing to troll with.
He was simply thanking republican voters for voting republican. That's all.
That you think the best case was trolling shows how pigeon holed your thinking is.
The difficulty with arguing against someone who doesn't care about their beliefs matching up with reality is that you have to rely on factual arguments while they do not.
Really?
Since Musk made his two salutes all I've seen in response have been highly selective still photos taken at low angles that make it appear Obama, Harris, etc. have been making Nazi salutes.
I've yet to see a dynamic unfaked video lengthy video clip of, say, Joe Biden, throwing a Nazi salute.
Do you have such a clip with details of the time and place, hosted by a major media outlet?
Twice!
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." (George Orwell, 1984)
Honestly? I was on team "he's a clueless weirdo" and was mostly amused by watching his supporters cortort themselves to avoid saying that... But he somehow managed to fish out and hire not one but two engineers with a history of blatant racism, and even decided to rehire the one that resigned once it became public.
I generally think the whole "Nazi" thing is easy and reductive, but what the fuck?
Zero chance that happens.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely and we are just getting started. The checks and balance that get in the way are actively being dismantled.
(e.g. 9/11 or Sandy Hook being false flags, Pizzagate, Qanon, the "deep state").
What most people are talking about now is resemblances between actual actions and events that aren't in dispute and things that have happened in countries generally recognized as autocratic.
(e.g. the fake electors plot isn't a conspiracy theory, we know it happened; presidential immunity isn't a conspiracy theory, it is a Supreme Court ruling; pardoning people that attacked the Capitol isn't a conspiracy theory, it's an actual Executive Order; rewriting term limits isn't a conspiracy theory, it's an actual bill, etc.)
Reasonable people can disagree on the extrapolation of current events into the future without either being a conspiracy theorist.
We're not being hysterical, we're being realistic. Trump is mostly a buffoon but Miller, Musk, and Vance are all truly evil people (I don't say this lightly) whose vision for America is truly terrifying. Like, Handmaid's Tale wasn't speculative fiction, but a working manual for these guys.
it's about seeing exactly the same kind of patterns and dynamics as during the rise of the 3rd riche
i.e. by every objective measurable metric the US is currently falling to autocracy and fascism
Will that be "literal Nazis" taking over the US, no most likely not. But might it become bad for most US citizens and the World in general to a really really bad point, then yes every thing is pointing in that direction.
If you then add in how much tension both the world economy and geopolitics is in (since years getting worse) it would be strange to assume we aren't at sever risk of WW3 in some form (could be a cold war or similar, too).
Look at how the US is currently trying to get right of a absurd high amount of people (nearly twice as many as Jews where killed by Nazi Germany) most of which do not have a home to go back to and probably most of which other countries don't want to take in (in context of forced deportations, due to such people e.g. being jobless as they had to leave their job behind). And then look at how they started building/expanding Guantanamo and how the current head of state is constantly using dehumanizing language and look on how some of the people he puts in power have outed themself as being very inhuman and cruel in their world view. And then think how is this _not_ going to end in a catastrophe. Not necessary on the level of industrialized mass killing. But really there is no way this is going to end well.
By now the question isn't if people die, but how many digits.
Although Musk gave a Nazi-style salute twice and Nazi flag bearers are not chucked out of MAGA/Trump rallies.
The power shift in the Republican party has strong parallels to shifts in power that lead to compromises with the NSDAP, and eventually to Hitler's chancellorship.
The moves away from old institution norms (by both parties, though I tend to bias against R) who claim they are fighting to preserve it, whether with good intentions or not, have the effect of eroding our democracy.
The Trump admin's denigration of immigrants, and gender ideology also have obvious parallels.
For a time I didn't consider there to be genocidal parallels, but the recent threats to empty Gaza puts that on shaky ground.
Until these trends start reversing, and the groups involved work to restore norms, we are at an increasing risk of repeating past government's failures. For one party that feels like the intent (see recent chaos monkey efforts), while at least the other recognizes they are eroding norms, but can't seem to reverse course (Biden's executive orders).
I ask because a person not used to expending energy doing those things could quickly and easily get "tired" and believe the present situation to be "hysterics, " while those who are politcally aware - as opposed to those newly being told all of their xenophobic urges are wonderful - are rightfully alarmed.
I recommend you read _Defying_Hitler_ to see how authoritarianism creeps in. You might also get to know the recent history of Hungary, Turkey, Belarus, Myanmar, Venezuela, Poland, Macedonia, and Thailand.
Trump literally said in a press conference about DOGE a few days ago that he will follow all court orders, but also appeal them where he thinks they’re wrong. This claim that he is ignoring courts is false, and increasingly I am noticing journalists factually misrepresent reality to create widespread beliefs like this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/10/us/trump-unfreezing-feder...
The judges issuing said orders disagree. Saying a thing is not the same as doing a thing.
The government will get a bit smaller and life will go on.
If you are ignorant to widely-reported news, it's curious to dismiss it as anecdotal.
It's also curious to paint this an accident (before you knew anything about it) when it's the intended result of the order and an inspector was fired for attempting to raise effort to correct it.
https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780805087260/hitlersbenefici...
Yarvin believes American democracy is a failed project and it should be replaced with an American monarchy. He thinks all of society should be organized like a corporation and a CEO of America should call the shots, no elections necessary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23373795/curtis-yarv...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/inside-the-new-right...
They've been thinking about it for years, including preparing themselves to ignore court rulings.
To quote JD Vance from the Vanity Fair article: “I think Trump is going to run again in 2024,” [Vance] said. “I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.” “And when the courts stop you,” he went on, “stand before the country, and say—” he quoted Andrew Jackson, giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order—“the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”
And now he's saying it as vice president:
https://www.newsweek.com/jd-vance-comment-questioning-court-...
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/02/trump-v...
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/09/us/politics/vance-trump-f...
What remains to be seen is how far they will push it:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/02/doge-civil...