It's not even an agency.

Um it is. And it was started by Obama. He

The perfect place to exfiltrate information and absolutely no need for this level of security skills there unless they intended to break into government systems they were not given access to by e.g. the courts.

Their stated purpose is "to reduce wasteful and fraudulent federal spending". Organizations that have waste and fraudulent spending will not "give" access and will throw every obstruction in the way.

Justify it however you like, but there is no course in which hacking the system is legal

I'm not justifying anything. Every large organization gets audited and is required to allow outsiders in to review data. It's quite legal, necessary in fact. Nobody likes it. They don't call it "hacking".

If you read my original comment, it was about there not being a need for such security skills unless you have intentions to access the data regardless of what is put in your path. If you are denied access by the courts but you access it anyway, you are hacking. They also have no charter to audit, are not authorized by Congress, and are therefore already skirting the very knife edge of what is legal.

Skirting knife edges of legal is not illegal. Perhaps you are concerned about immoral, do you think it's immoral to review financial records?

I used an audit as an example. The agencies are acting as if their records cannot be reviewed unless they themselves vet they auditor which is suspicious given they are part of the executive branch.

By your logic, ex-cons are not employable because companies would not employ them unless they have intentions of using their skills.

Yes, if anyone hired a 19 year old ex-con into this role digging through the personal data of government employees... I would say it's pretty clear what their intention is. Furthermore there are established processes chartered by Congress for auditing and reviewing secure materials held by government agencies. Those require background checks, vetting, and proper processes. They don't involve random people hired a couple of weeks ago showing up and digging into whatever they feel like looking at.

They aren't "digging", they are looking for fraud and savings. They've have been vetted by elected officials, just not the ones that seem to have something to hide. I really don't think you know what their "intentions" are.

I don't think this conversation will go much further, please don't let me stand in the way of your outrage.

Ah yes, you don't like how things turned out and so you resort to characterizing me as outraged as though I'm somehow less capable of being logical than your are. Feel free to not engage with my comments in future. I'd much prefer that.

You don't know what they are doing other than what the said they are doing. Just because someone say's something about their motives, doesn't make it true. It sounds more like you have a position that you want to have promoted "auditing records for corruption reasons" (which is noble btw) and hoping the DOGE organization's behavior is lining up to that position. I'd be careful of this as it sounds more like cognitive bias.

This is true except for me wanting to promote anything. I have positions that I take and like to discuss with others, nothing more. I do hope it turns out to be an audit (and it certainly seems that way), but watch it cautiously for any deviation.

DOGE is a renamed Obama-era agency called the US Digital Service. This group basically tackles IT needs for different departments, which is how Elon is able to weasel his way into any department he decides to target.

First time I've seen this, and very interesting. I was aware of the USDS but not the DOGE connection. Presumably all the former employees were fired as the alien took over the host?

Yeah it was started after the Obamacare website debacle years ago. The intention was to have a group of IT professionals who could shuttle from various departments to help with different projects. Pretty innocuous, honestly. It was never intended to be used as a tool to dismantle the federal government.

I think the implication is that if the person concerned (dox-ed again by Krebs) would pass an intelligence agency review, they should be OK for fraud investigation.

Why? They aren’t the same thing, not even remotely close skill set.

Also why do people keep calling this doxxing. These are public employees.

>>why do people keep calling this doxxing.

Because they are getting death threats, and that is only reason their names were made public.

that doesn’t mean they are being doxxed. That just means their identities are known, just like any other public figure that receives death threats.

Wired looked up their details and made them public.

I’m replying to yet another poster with nothing technical in their comment history, just political crap.

When did HN become infested by brain rot. Post probably should have been flagged after all.

I'm pro Trump, you're anti. Neither of us want to see this rage bait.

Your entire submission history is nothing but political rage bait.

I swear people should be able to pass the “hello world” programming test before being able to post here. This site is going down the drain

My non-partisan hand across the political divide was rebuffed.

I can see you only find one side capable of rage-bait. Opposing opinions must be very troubling for you.