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Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by BarryMilo on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:41PM (#42935847)
I've been part of a few (Canadian) cooperatives. The incentive structure is completely different, it's akin to admitting you prefer great working conditions than having a chance to chance it rich. If a company is startup-sized, anything else is a sucker's bet.
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by woah on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:45PM (#42935898)
If I didn't like my working conditions, I would look for a different job.
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by ziddoap on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @01:35PM (#42936656)
>I would look for a different job.

I know some experienced, socially adept, smart, etc. friends who have been doing this exact thing for about 8 months now.

Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by satvikpendem on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @03:29PM (#42938145)
How is that not the same in a coop? If they don't like the conditions they'd still have to leave the job and find a new one.
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by bboygravity on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @03:40PM (#42938269)
In a coop everybody's job is to always be looking for a job (for the coop)?
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by satvikpendem on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @04:57PM (#42939481)
Not sure what you're talking about, I was replying to a refutation of the following quote by the grand parent commenter:

> If I didn't like my working conditions, I would look for a different job.

Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by knowitnone on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @05:02PM (#42939565)
because all your friends are 10s
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by ziddoap on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @05:40PM (#42940101)
What's your point? That my friends aren't the literal best in the world in their field of study? Of course they aren't. If that was a job requirement, there would be like 20 job openings world-wide.

What an odd comment.

Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by Herring on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:59PM (#42936134)
Sometimes the bad jobs are crowding out the good. Like gig work crowding out traditional full-time positions with benefits, as companies prefer cheaper, on-demand labor. Slave labor needs to be outlawed at the society level, not at the individual level "why dont you just find another job".
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by chii on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @11:10PM (#42943665)
gig work is not slave labour - slaves had no choice.

gig work is popular because the people doing it are finding that it is the best of all alternatives available to them.

Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by kilna on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @06:58PM (#42957157)
"slaves had no choice"... Um, do you think most people can choose not to work?

Gig work is "popular" because wealth-driven systemic pressure is replacing FTE with gig jobs in order to fatten the bottom line.

Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by chii on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @11:15PM (#42959016)
> do you think most people can choose not to work?

they have the choice - because they have agency. Slavery is literally taking that agency away. Having agency doesn't mean being immune to the consequences.

The consequences of a slave "choosing" to not work is punishment and death.

The consequences of a gig worker choosing not to work is to claim basic benefits (but hardly will die). It's uncomfortable, and i will bet most people will choose to work, but it doesn't mean someone is forcing them.

Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by Herring on Thursday February 06, 2025 @10:37AM (#42963363)
Look at the rest of his comments. Can't reason with him, so just move on.
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by ryandrake on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @02:25PM (#42937337)
This "take it or leave it" problem seems to be exactly what a cooperative seeks to solve.
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by psychoslave on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:56PM (#42936080)
Of course, but being in such a choice position is already being very privileged if we take things at their global level.
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by spinningarrow on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @01:22PM (#42936467)
What was the incentive structure, and how was your experience overall (esp. comparing to traditional companies if you’ve worked at those)?