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Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by Tadpole9181 on Sunday February 02, 2025 @03:07PM (#42911318)
Why are you concerned? They're adults and know this is blatantly illegal and are serving their lord anyway. They don't even have the pleasure of deniability since the government officials literally stepped in, physically blocked them, and told them they weren't allowed.

Personally, I hope they get what's coming to them.

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by jjtheblunt on Monday February 03, 2025 @02:46PM (#42922020)
> blatantly illegal

genuine question, not sarcastic: what specifically is blatantly illegal, violating what law?

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by afavour on Monday February 03, 2025 @02:49PM (#42922056)
They are (according to the accounts given) accessing confidential government information they don’t have security credentials for.
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by bdangubic on Monday February 03, 2025 @03:21PM (#42922480)
there’s this guy named Donald who just might pardon whoever is committing whatever crimes are being committed…
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by kelnos on Monday February 03, 2025 @03:26PM (#42922561)
I'm sure he will. But that doesn't refute the assertion that what they're doing is illegal. It supports it, even.
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by afavour on Monday February 03, 2025 @03:38PM (#42922755)
All else aside I wouldn’t assume he’s going to. I doubt Trump cares one way or the other if these kids rot in jail.

There’s a long, long list of people who thought “Trump owes me” would be a guarantee and got a rude awakening.

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by bdangubic on Monday February 03, 2025 @04:44PM (#42923635)
I doubt Trump cares one way or the other if these kids rot in jail

they are doing what he is (in)directly ordering - they ain't going to jail following the orders of the POTUS :)

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by mbesto on Monday February 03, 2025 @03:17PM (#42922423)
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by jjtheblunt on Monday February 03, 2025 @04:04PM (#42923103)
thanks : it's oh so HN that the question got downvoted, and you alone had an answer, much appreciated.
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by derangedHorse on Monday February 03, 2025 @05:37PM (#42924313)
Your question was valid and you didn’t deserve to get downvoted. That being said the person who responded to you is wrong. They did have the appropriate security clearance to access the records.

Some people are skeptical on the legitimacy of what some are calling “emergency” security clearances given by executive order[1] but there’s no evidence this is not within the bounds of the president’s power. An expedited clearance could have been granted in 48 hours but presumably the backlog has already lasted longer than that and would hamper plans for the first month in office.

[1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/memo...

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by mbesto on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @10:34AM (#42933682)
> They did have the appropriate security clearance to access the records.

That EO says:

    The White House Counsel to provide the White House Security Office and Acting Chief Security Officer with a list of personnel
Where do you see that the CSO has granted access to those specific individuals? For the record, I'm not saying they are or are not on that list, we just simply don't know. If they have not been granted security clearance then there is in fact a law that makes it illegal to access federal systems and those boys are in for some trouble.
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by derangedHorse on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:44PM (#42935883)
I meant to link this tweet [1] from the former Communications Director of the Vice President and active member of DOGE, Katie Miller. There’s no evidence that the members with access had “emergency” clearance and they could very well have gone through the regular process, so I was careful not to say they were granted clearance in that way. I just wanted to mention it as something people have been grouping into this and complaining about.

[1] https://x.com/katierosemiller/status/1886110659097637367

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by mbesto on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @02:01PM (#42937009)
> I just wanted to mention it as something people have been grouping into this and complaining about.

For sure. Fair point.

> they could very well have gone through the regular process

My understanding is that the "regular process" is pretty rigorous (background checks, calls to family members, etc). So, I would take a "former comms dir"'s tweet with a grain of salt.

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by jjtheblunt on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:44PM (#42941007)
I’ve been through the regular process for NSA and it is indeed rigorous.
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by derangedHorse on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @09:42AM (#42949108)
I know many friends with top secret clearance and I would say it’s reasonably rigorous but nothing crazy in my opinion.