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Re:Chatbot Software Begins to Face Fundamental Limitations by Yiin on Sunday February 02, 2025 @07:00AM (#42908122)
I think you're approaching it form very high level, when you should think about it from much lower level, i.e. success is being determined by stress/dopamine hormones or similar
Re:Chatbot Software Begins to Face Fundamental Limitations by d0mine on Sunday February 02, 2025 @07:19AM (#42908199)
The lower level seems to work eg, “Dopamine regulates decision thresholds in human reinforcement learning” https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41130-y
Re:Chatbot Software Begins to Face Fundamental Limitations by Splinelinus on Sunday February 02, 2025 @02:00PM (#42910833)
This article is kind of vague on that tbf: To conclude, we observed no credible evidence for a beneficial effect of L-dopa (vs. Haloperidol) on reinforcement learning in a reward context, as well as the proposed mechanistic account of an enhanced striatal prediction error response mediating this effect.
Re:Chatbot Software Begins to Face Fundamental Limitations by mnky9800n on Sunday February 02, 2025 @07:22AM (#42908207)
So your claim is that success stories are some kind of emergent phenomenon that comes from people chasing dopamine highs?
Re:Chatbot Software Begins to Face Fundamental Limitations by echoangle on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:45PM (#42910232)
Is that controversial? I would say everything a human does is to feel better, and everything someone does that doesn’t make them feel better immediately is just done in the expectation of even greater pleasure later.
Re:Chatbot Software Begins to Face Fundamental Limitations by mnky9800n on Sunday February 02, 2025 @02:59PM (#42911266)
I don’t think the human experience can be reduced down to “if feels good is true then continue else try something else”. But I could be wrong.
Re:Chatbot Software Begins to Face Fundamental Limitations by echoangle on Sunday February 02, 2025 @03:13PM (#42911367)
Well mine can, with some tactics and strategy layered on top. If I do something I don’t like, I only do it because the payoff later makes it worth it (or at least I think it will from my current knowledge).
Re:Chatbot Software Begins to Face Fundamental Limitations by earnestinger on Sunday February 02, 2025 @06:11PM (#42912856)
While humans seek “profit”.

It is important that “profit”, comes in various forms, which exchange rates are problematic to calculate (or maybe there can’t be any): not hungry, not thirsty, tastes good, not cold, feel safe, feel excited, feel righteous, feel powerful, listen to music, watch a movie, get curious, satisfy curiosity, laugh, love, sex, rock n roll.

Re:Chatbot Software Begins to Face Fundamental Limitations by dutchbookmaker on Sunday February 02, 2025 @09:30AM (#42908834)
I think it is both and this is very obvious if you read Pareto and Sapolsky.