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Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by mv4 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @11:12AM (#42866795)
That was my impression too. He is considered the inventor of CNN back in 1998. Is there anything more recent that's meaningful?
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by tedivm on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @11:42AM (#42867353)
I was more referring to this paper from 2015:

https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&h...

Basically all LLM can trace their origin back to that paper.

This was just a single example though. The whole point is that people build on the work from the past, and that this is normal.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by mv4 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @12:01PM (#42867719)
Thank you for sharing this.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by esafak on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @05:10PM (#42871885)
That's just an overview for paper for those new to the field. The transformer architecture has a better claim to being the origin of LLMs.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by blackeyeblitzar on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @11:39AM (#42867296)
Personally, I have not seen anything from him that is meaningful. OpenAI and Anthropic (itself started by former OpenAI people) of course have built their models without LeCun’s contributions. And for a few years now, LeCun has been giving the same talk anywhere he makes appearances, saying that large language models are a dead end and that other approaches like his JEPA architecture are the future. Meanwhile current LLM architecture has continued to evolve and become very useful. As for the misuse of the term “open source”, I think that really began once he was at Meta, and is a way to use his fame to market Llama and help Meta not look irrelevant.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by tedivm on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:56PM (#42870282)
They literally cited LeCun in their GPT papers.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by amelius on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @12:51PM (#42868488)
By the way, as someone who once did classical image recognition using convolutions, I can't say I was very impressed by the CNN approach, especially since their implementation didn't even use FFTs for efficiency.