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Re:Facebook Ban on Linux by germandiago on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @06:52AM (#42851332)
There is no such thing as unbiased information. So FWIW, I think fact checking is really just a fight for censorship. Official lies and half truths instead of lies from everywhere intermixed with truths.

There are so many ways to do it wrong even if you tag info as true or fake and in principle you do it with good intention. For example it was the case that certain information was tagged as fake and when claimed for a correction the administrators "could not do anything" (Spain cases researched by Joan Planas by doing requests himself personally for the biggest official agency in Spain, called Newtral, which is intimately tied to the Socialist Party in Spain... really, the name makes me laugh, let us call war peace etc. like in 1984). But they were way faster in doing it in the other direction or often found excuses to clearly favor certain interests.

Now put this in the context of an election... uh... complicated topic, but we all minimally awake people know what this is about...

Re:Facebook Ban on Linux by voidUpdate on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @08:30AM (#42852062)
whats the bias on "1+1=2"?
Re:Facebook Ban on Linux by germandiago on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @11:46AM (#42854481)
I was going to say something but the other two replies illustrate well enough things, especially the one of what information to hide or show. Others: where a headline goes, how fast information is corrected, what is the protocol to correct and if that protocol has a neutral appearance that favors someone more than others.

In fact I believe neutrality does not exist as such. No problem with it, objective information and multiple sources with their biases are ok to get an idea as long as facts are shown. But an official truth? Come on, what is that? It is dangerously similar to a dictatorship to have the monopoly of truth.

Re:Facebook Ban on Linux by alt227 on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @09:36AM (#42852778)
Bias towards base 10 numbering? How did you know 1+1 wasnt wanted to be calculated in binary?
Re:Facebook Ban on Linux by kazinator on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @03:08PM (#42857299)
1+1=2 has a correct interpretation in any base 3 and higher.

How we know that it wasn't to be calculated in binary is that the digit 2 occurs.

We have to have a reason to suspect that it was intended to be binary, otherwise we are inventing an inconsistency that isn't there in order to find a false or not-well-formed interpretation.

Re:Facebook Ban on Linux by beeflet on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @08:41AM (#42852174)
the decision to include the information or not include it in the discussion in the first place, regardless of whether it's objective information
Re:Facebook Ban on Linux by kazinator on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @04:22PM (#42858206)
Your point doesn't hold together because it seems to be conflating fact checking with bias elimination.

They are obviously different and mostly separate.

A presentation of facts can be biased.

E.g. a news agency can have a characteristic political slant, yet not make up facts to suit that narrative.

When a bias is severe, such that it leads to behaviors like concealing important facts in order to manipulate the correct understanding of a situation, then fact checking can find a problem with it.

Re:Facebook Ban on Linux by germandiago on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @08:05PM (#42873553)
We have repeteadly found fake news in the fact checking as well as official truths in the case of Spain and I am pretty sure the pattern is replicated in other places. The funds that bought the newspapers, etc. in Spain are all the same around Europe.

They might not be the same, but they are interrelated sonce this is a fight to monopolize the truth and bias and lies are what you end up seeing. Many times they say sorry and get away with it,, but they are not saying sorry: they are working for some interests.

What happened to Biden's son in Ukraine. They totally disappeared before an election, for example. Why? Why it did not get through and went viral? I do not give a hell from these agencies. They are everything but seeking the truth. Yes, for some irrelevant info they might be ok but we all know who they work for.

Remember part of the leakages that Musk showed when he bought Twitter also with the mail exchanges of what to censor. Only a retarded would believe those agencies at this point.

Not to say fake news do not exist though.