Go 1.24's go tool is one of the best additions to the ecosystem in years

Re:Go 1.24's go tool is one of the best additions to the eco... by munificent on Monday January 27, 2025 @07:50PM (#42847657)

I think the problem is basically because the build system has to be implemented using some ecosystem, and no other ecosystem wants to depend on that one.

If your "one build system to rule them all" was built in, say, Ruby, the Python ecosystem won't want to use it. No Python evangelist wants to tell users that step 1 of getting up and running with Python is "Install Ruby".

So you tend to get a lot of wheel reinvention across ecosystems.

I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. Yes, it's a lot of redundant work. But it's also an opportunity to shed historical baggage and learn from previous mistakes. Compare, for example, how beloved Rust's cargo ecosystem is compared the ongoing mess that is package management in Python.

A fresh start can be valuable, and not having a monoculture can be helpful for rapid evolution.

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Re:Go 1.24's go tool is one of the best additions to the eco... by marwis on Monday January 27, 2025 @08:25PM (#42847874)

Sounds like the only way out of this is to design language agnostic tooling protocols that anybody can implement.

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Re:Go 1.24's go tool is one of the best additions to the eco... by pansa2 on Monday January 27, 2025 @08:37PM (#42847953)

> No Python evangelist wants to tell users that step 1 of getting up and running with Python is "Install Ruby".

True, but the Python community does seem to be coalescing around tools like UV and Ruff, written in Rust. Presumably that’s more acceptable because it’s a compiled language, so they tell users to “install UV” not “install Rust”.

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Re:Go 1.24's go tool is one of the best additions to the eco... by pjmlp on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @12:36AM (#42849193)

I tend to think that is more Rust community using Python, and RIIR stuff, than Python community themselves.

I know Python since version 1.6, and this has never been a thing until Rust.

Same applies to the RIIR going on JavaScript side.

Including tools that were already written in compiled languages, but of course weren't Rust, or had an idea to make a startup around them.

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Re:Go 1.24's go tool is one of the best additions to the eco... by makapuf on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @02:25AM (#42849770)

Note that installing python stdlib installs tkinter and thus tcl.

https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/Python-Tcl-Interactions

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Re:Go 1.24's go tool is one of the best additions to the eco... by 6keZbCECT2uB on Monday January 27, 2025 @09:30PM (#42848269)

Partly in jest, you can often find a Perl / bash available where you can't find a Python, Ruby, or Cargo.

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Re:Go 1.24's go tool is one of the best additions to the eco... by spauldo on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @09:23AM (#42852604)

Not sure why that's in jest. Perl is pretty much everywhere and could do the job just fine. There's lots of former (and current) Perl hackers still around.

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