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Re:The Alpha Myth: How captive wolves led us astray by nico on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:32PM (#42845874)
Something similar happened with models for addiction in rats (which were extrapolated to humans)

It turned out that rats that live in a nice environment, with plenty of activities and social spaces (not an ugly, mostly empty cage), don’t become addicted

Ref: Rat Park experiment

Re:The Alpha Myth: How captive wolves led us astray by Analemma_ on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:36PM (#42845924)
The Internet loves the Rat Park experiment, but it never replicated and should be considered just as bogus as all the other stuff in social psych which hasn't survived the replication crisis.

It's fitting for this thread though, because it survives for the exact reason the alpha wolf stuff survives: people love the story so they hang on to it irrespective of the science.

Re:The Alpha Myth: How captive wolves led us astray by nradov on Monday January 27, 2025 @05:13PM (#42846320)
Right, and we've seen plenty of people who lead the "Rat Park" equivalent of human lives and yet still get addicted to opioids. There's clearly no single cause.
Re:The Alpha Myth: How captive wolves led us astray by sunjieming on Monday January 27, 2025 @05:31PM (#42846516)
I think 90% of my HS psych class didn't replicate
Re:The Alpha Myth: How captive wolves led us astray by layman51 on Monday January 27, 2025 @06:04PM (#42846836)
Can you elaborate more on this? I did not take psychology in high school, but I would imagine that such a course would focus on fundamental concepts where “replicating” wouldn’t even be an issue. There might be teachers who might bring up the pop-sci topics, but wouldn’t the meat of the class just be learning about theories or frameworks?
Re:The Alpha Myth: How captive wolves led us astray by throwup238 on Monday January 27, 2025 @06:53PM (#42847267)
Not the OP and I didn’t take psych but here’s an example syllabus for AP Psychology from the College Board: https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/ap-psychology-s...

The first two units on neurology and cognition seem sensible, but I can see how it’ll quickly go off the rails after that.

Re:The Alpha Myth: How captive wolves led us astray by disgruntledphd2 on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @01:57PM (#42856383)
This seems entirely fine, after a brief review of the contents. Where do you think it goes off the rails?
Re:The Alpha Myth: How captive wolves led us astray by throwaway2037 on Monday January 27, 2025 @09:04PM (#42848115)

    > never replicated
Not exactly.

Wiki says:

    Studies that followed up on the contribution of environmental enrichment to addiction produced mixed results.
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park#Further_experiments
Re:The Alpha Myth: How captive wolves led us astray by mmooss on Monday January 27, 2025 @09:07PM (#42848135)
> it never replicated and should be considered just as bogus

Did someone try to replicate it? What were the results? What were their conclusions about its credibility?

> all the other stuff in social psych which hasn't survived the replication crisis.

Replication isn't black and white: Most of the experiments - at least in the early widely reported phase - did replicate but with less statistically strong results.