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Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by huijzer on Monday January 27, 2025 @02:25AM (#42838300)
I think the blunder is firmly with the people who caused the blowback. I don’t think it’s a good idea to all be up in arms whenever someone says something you disagree with.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by fnordsensei on Monday January 27, 2025 @03:21AM (#42838694)
For context, people were upset about using the official accounts to endorse a party wholesale, in direct violation of their charter.

A subset were also upset with the nature of the endorsement.

And then you could also discuss whether a CEO of a company has to consider what they say, regardless if they're using an official account or not. This is more of a gray area, and has people divided.

I'm personally of the opinion that, as a CEO, you're always representing your company when speaking to the public to some extent.

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by protonprivacy on Monday January 27, 2025 @08:17AM (#42840800)
Andy did not endorse Trump, just the Republican nominee for antitrust. Nevertheless, we have retracted the statement, which was put out by mistake due to an internal miscommunication. Proton is not controlled by any single person but by the nonprofit Proton Foundation, which has neutrality in its governing principles, and that remains the case today.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by fnordsensei on Monday January 27, 2025 @09:43AM (#42841601)
To give more context:

Andy, or someone else, posted what can be read as an endorsement[1].

> Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.

Putting aside that this was a divisive statement, the problem emerged when this was posted by the official company account.

For the duration of time that this was the official response, it's not unreasonable for the public to assume that Andy, or someone else, endorsed a political party using the official company account.

This is the core of what caused the incident to escalate.

It was later retracted, and followed up with a statement[2] on the incident.

[1]: https://archive.ph/2yWGz

[2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_poli...

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by n4r9 on Monday January 27, 2025 @12:31PM (#42843516)
The irony is that this was already changing: anti-trust has been massively empowered under Biden and Lina Khan. Trump is certainly attempting to bandwagon this tide, but the appearance of so many Big Tech leaders in VIP seats at his inauguration does not lend a favourable hindsight view to Andy Yen's statement.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by blackeyeblitzar on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @04:13PM (#42858095)
Is that really true? What did Lina Khan do to thwart big tech and enforce antitrust laws to a greater extent? I feel like there was mostly blockers for M&A that allowed startups to exit, but little real impact on big tech.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by DroidPort on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @10:05PM (#42861029)
The most vocal supporter of Lina Khan's work over the last few years has been JD Vance... while I can't remember a single democrat voicing even close to the same support.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by bayarearefugee on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @09:13AM (#42865094)
JD Vance vocally supported her, then the administration he is part of fired her as soon as it was able.

By contrast, Democrats nominated her to be commissioner, officially it was Biden who did so but Elizabeth Warren, another Democrat, is the one who really pushed for it.

Words don't mean shit compared to action.

With your kind of reasoning its pretty obvious why America is currently driving itself off a cliff.

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by n4r9 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @08:52AM (#42864875)
She led the FTC to bring lawsuits against Meta, Amazon, and Microsoft. Although two of the cases have been blocked in the courts, this alone was unthinkable in previous administrations. She's also helped enforce policies like right-to-repair and click-to-cancel which threaten big tech's market share. Like it or not she's played a massive part in shifting the narrative on antitrust. Trump's dismissal of her along with Big Tech's front-row seats at his inauguration and general sycophantism are not good signs for antitrust.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by yndoendo on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @03:55PM (#42857868)
Sorry, your CEO tainted any respect I have for your organization. I was planning on move to your service this year. Now I am looking else where.

The statement maybe retracted but the message and statement and ideology remain. I cannot trust your organization based on your CEO.

The irony is the collection of big-tech that showed up for and financially supported Trump. This has a great profound outlook on real antitrust action towards those individuals and their organizations. Actions are more verbose than words but often ignored.

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by DroidPort on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @10:07PM (#42861041)
In this case though... the actions you are referring to are the words Andy Yen used?
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by randomthought12 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:56AM (#42862298)
As a long-time user and a volunteer on the translation team, I can't begin to express my disappointment with this.

I've subscribed to Proton for several years, and I now deeply regret my decision. Regardless of any explanations about the removal of the statement or internal miscommunication, the damage is already done.

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by biohcacker84 on Monday January 27, 2025 @11:23AM (#42842739)
All of the above makes sense, until you consider all the things the prior administration did to tech startups, privacy, crypto and more.

And to consider all of it you unfortunately have to have been red-pilled in the past.

If you can consider it, than everything above is like 1% as bad as silence during the prior administration.

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by fnordsensei on Monday January 27, 2025 @11:40AM (#42842944)
What prior administration? Are you commenting on US politics or the actions of Proton?

Edit: I get it, you're arguing for your favorite political party. Not interested.

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by sofixa on Monday January 27, 2025 @02:40AM (#42838413)
> I don’t think it’s a good idea to all be up in arms whenever someone says something you disagree with

Of course not, but there's a difference between disagreeing with which is the best recipe for a cheesecake, the best castle in France, or whether or not it's acceptable to invade your neighbouring countries, if the government should be following the law/constitution, or basic biology, etc.

Some opinions one disagrees with are very worth to be up in arms. I'd even say that people have a civic duty of being up in arms against certain egregious topics. Say if a politician says that they want to allow for 9 year olds to be married to adults; or a rich guy backing multiple politicians all over the world Sieg Heils on national television; or a politician that just got elected is asking for money for favours from companies; or there's talk of "other"ing significant swathes of the population.

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by pixxel on Monday January 27, 2025 @03:49AM (#42838841)
Stop watching the 3letter news channels to regain your sanity.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by captainvaqina on Monday January 27, 2025 @05:24AM (#42839444)
Don't believe your lying eyes when watching the direct actions of a fascist regime.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by DarkByte8 on Monday January 27, 2025 @05:52AM (#42839612)
Still better to watch 3letter news channels then 1letter social media platform.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by sofixa on Monday January 27, 2025 @06:02AM (#42839687)
If it helps, I'm not American, only consume American news when its investigative reporting I'm interested in, and I don't watch any TV news.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by philwelch on Monday January 27, 2025 @11:41AM (#42842956)
So if you think Gail Slater is a good pick for the DOJ’s antitrust division, that’s tantamount to pedophilia and Naziism? What did Gail Slater ever do?
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by sofixa on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @02:22AM (#42849748)
No, I think a guy doing a Nazi salute on TV, twice, at an official ceremony, that's tantamount to Nazism. And the fact that everyone who identifies with his side of the isle tries to deflect and excuse and explain how the Nazi salute he didn't wasn't actually a Nazi salute only helps with that. And frankly, anyone associated with Nazi salute guy and those who defend him... is associated with Nazis, which isn't a good thing.

It reminds me of this sketch: https://youtu.be/zvgZtdmyKlI

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by philwelch on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @08:48PM (#42860530)
Gail Slater did that? That’s crazy, man. But it says on Wikipedia that Gail Slater is a woman?
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by wraptile on Monday January 27, 2025 @02:53AM (#42838510)
In my opinion this is clearly a display of a character flaw. I simply don't trust Proton now that it's CEO revealed itself to be of such flawed thought. Isn't that the whole job of a CEO?
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by pixxel on Monday January 27, 2025 @03:25AM (#42838719)
Character flaws now include people you disagree with. JFC.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by wraptile on Monday January 27, 2025 @03:39AM (#42838786)
Way to twist it to "opinion battles" but Swiss CEO diving head first into American meme politics and following up _on the official account of Proton_ is very clearly a character flaw. Feel free to disagree but keep it to yourself, thanks.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by philwelch on Monday January 27, 2025 @11:39AM (#42842941)
“Meme politics” is when someone endorses the head of the DOJ antitrust division?
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by xcv123 on Monday January 27, 2025 @03:20AM (#42838687)
Normal adults can accept that others have different political views. His views seem kind of mundane. Majority voted for Trump. It's just ordinary politics.

You sound like an ideological extremist to make such a big deal out of that. I think you are the one who has a defective thought process.

This is the post. Just expressing a normal political opinion. https://x.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by wraptile on Monday January 27, 2025 @03:41AM (#42838802)
Nah normal adults vote with their senses, judgement and their spine. I'm not an American, neither is Proton. Keep your clowns inside of your clown car.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by angoragoats on Monday January 27, 2025 @08:09AM (#42840737)
Nothing about anything occurring right now in the United States is “ordinary politics” and saying that anyone who disapproves of someone siding with a fascist regime has a “defective thought process” is doing the work of the fascist regime for them.
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Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by AnimalMuppet on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:38PM (#42845934)
Whether or not it objectively meets the definition of a fascist regime, you can't talk to people that way here.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by angoragoats on Monday January 27, 2025 @07:40PM (#42847606)
I didn’t see what the post you’re replying to said before it got flagged, but if it was objecting to me labeling the government as fascist, I’ll point to “The 14 Characteristics of Fascism” by political scientist Lawrence Britt [0]. The current government clearly checks at least 12 of the 14 boxes here, and I could probably make reasonable arguments for the rest.

[0] https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by AnimalMuppet on Monday January 27, 2025 @08:29PM (#42847896)
> The current government clearly checks at least 12 of the 14 boxes here...

Well, I wouldn't go that far. But out of curiosity, which two do you think it doesn't check?

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by angoragoats on Monday January 27, 2025 @08:59PM (#42848090)
10. Labor Power is suppressed and 14. Fraudulent elections. But they're both more of a "not yet, at least..." for me.

> Well, I wouldn't go that far.

Which others do you feel are not applicable? I have concrete examples for all of the others.

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by angoragoats on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @09:03AM (#42852387)
Heh, I wrote the parent comment last night, and saw this story this morning:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-28/trump-fir...

So we're pretty quickly heading toward #10 being checked off as well.

Regarding the last item, VP Trump said some weird things about President Musk helping with voting machines (during his speeches at the inauguration, or maybe in the days after -- I can't keep track anymore). To be clear, I don't think that rises to the level of "fraudulent elections." But it is something that I think is worth investigating further, if we as a nation care about free and fair elections anymore.

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @10:47AM (#42853641)
4. Supremacy of the military. Trump has been big on wanting to be supreme over the military, but I don't think he's been as big on making the military the supreme thing in the country.

5. Rampant sexism. Sure, he's sexist, and he says sexist things. The person responsible for keeping all the people around him pulling in the same direction is a woman, though. So are some of his cabinet nominees. So while he's in this direction, I don't think he's there yet.

6. Controlled mass media. Again, he's trying (the lawsuit against the pollster in Iowa is a really bad sign), but he's not there yet, not by a long shot. He arguably is trying for this one, more than the previous two.

7. Obsession with national security. Do you really think most Americans are living in fear of "them out there"? I don't. Migrants who are here, maybe. Crime, maybe. National security? Not really, no. (Unless you lump immigration with national security, which I suppose is defensible.)

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. The police haven't been given virtually unlimited power... at least not yet.

Look, I won't deny that he's trending in the wrong direction on many of these. It's worrying. (The ones I'm not arguing are even more worrying.) But I don't think he's as close as you're making it sound.

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by angoragoats on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @10:56AM (#42853755)
Supremacy of the military: his recently confirmed SecDef has publicly supported carpet bombing and explicitly endorsed the killing of innocent civilians on multiple occasions.

Sexism: Seriously? Not even going to comment on this one. If you don't see it, nothing will make you change your mind.

Controlled mass media: Facebook, Twitter, Whatsapp, Instagram, and TikTok are now all now definitively controlled by party loyalists. This is where most of the non-seniors in the country get their news these days.

Obsession with national security: immigration should absolutely be part of this and it's one of the defining topics of the administration thus far.

Obsession with crime and punishment: Trump has himself repeatedly stated that he is the "LAW AND ORDER" candidate (oftentimes via tweet, in all caps). This would be funny given his conviction on 34 felony counts, but I don't really consider anything about the administration to be funny anymore. Also, "The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism": Republicans do this all the time, especially if it involves white officers and Black victims. "Blue lives matter", etc.

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by xcv123 on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @11:27AM (#42854194)
LOL

This is kindergarten level of political analysis

Your comment on sexism made me laugh out loud

Everyone is fascist now. Meaningless buzzword.

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by angoragoats on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @11:35AM (#42854324)
Please stop.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by xcv123 on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @12:16AM (#42849073)
Democratic Party ticks many of those boxes.

You are a simpleton if you believe Democrats are pure innocent angels. That is idiotic.

The Proton CEO was not endorsing anything harmful. It was the exact opposite of that. Something wrong with your reading comprehension.

Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by angoragoats on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @06:15AM (#42851100)
I never stated anything about the party that is not currently in power. I’m sorry that you’re angry but this is whataboutism and doesn’t address any of my points (and you’re wrong about the specifics of your post as well).
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by xcv123 on Tuesday January 28, 2025 @10:48AM (#42853662)
You’re wrong about the facts, not me.

Not whataboutism.

You completely missed the point. It’s about the idiotic interpretation of the Proton CEO’s tweet. Kindergarten level of understanding of politics based on ultra dumbed down MSM propaganda for brain rotted individuals. He got attacked for nothing by shit for brains Redditors.

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Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by AnimalMuppet on Monday January 27, 2025 @05:43PM (#42846631)
Fair enough that people irritate you too much these days. I can't cast the first stone on that one...
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by Vaslo on Monday January 27, 2025 @08:27AM (#42840897)
In my opinion, this is clearly a display of a character strength. I strongly trust proton now that its CEO revealed itself to be of such strong character. Isn’t that the whole job of a ceo? For every one of you, there is one of me to offset you and increase my support of the product. You probably don’t even use them and never intended you, and the rest of the user base is better for it.
Re:Interview with Andy Yen, CEO of Proton VPN by Spooky23 on Monday January 27, 2025 @08:38AM (#42841013)
I don’t think it’s good optics for CEOs to be simping for POTUS without a clear rationale.

Why is a privacy focused company from Switzerland kissing the ring? It’s a relevant question given the business they are in.