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Re:Lightpanda: The headless browser designed for AI and auto... by tossandthrow on Friday January 24, 2025 @01:53PM (#42816001)
Where do you read DRM?

Parent commenter merely and humbly asks the author of the library to make sure that it has sane defaults and support for ethical crawling.

I find it disturbing that you would recommend against that.

Re:Lightpanda: The headless browser designed for AI and auto... by gkbrk on Friday January 24, 2025 @01:58PM (#42816030)
Here's what the parent comment wrote.

> And there should not be an option to override that.

This is not just a sane default. This is software telling you what you are allowed to do based on what the rights owner wants, literally DRM.

This is exactly like Android not allowing screenshots to be taken in certain apps because the rights owner didn't allow it.

Re:Lightpanda: The headless browser designed for AI and auto... by JambalayaJimbo on Friday January 24, 2025 @03:56PM (#42816851)
This is software telling you what you are allowed to do based on what the software developer wants* (assuming the developers cares of course...). Which is how all software works. I would not want my users of my software doing anything malicious with it, so I would not give them the option.

If I create an open-source messaging app I am also not going to give users the option of clicking a button to spam recipients with dick pics. Even if it was dead-simple for a determined user to add code for this dick pic button themselves.

Re:Lightpanda: The headless browser designed for AI and auto... by blacksmith_tb on Friday January 24, 2025 @02:33PM (#42816247)
Not sure what "digital rights" that "manages"? I don't see it as an unreasonable suggestion that the tool shouldn't be set up out of the box to DoS sites it's scraping, that doesn't prevent anyone who is technical enough to know what they're doing to fork it and remove whatever limits are there by default? I can't see it as a "my computer should do what I want!" issue, if you don't like how this package works, change it or use another?
Re:Lightpanda: The headless browser designed for AI and auto... by benatkin on Friday January 24, 2025 @05:45PM (#42817655)
Digital Restrictions Management, then. Have it your way.
Re:Lightpanda: The headless browser designed for AI and auto... by concerndc1tizen on Saturday January 25, 2025 @07:09AM (#42821168)
There are so many combative people on HackerNews lately who insist to misinterpret everything.

I really wonder if it's bots or just assholes.

Re:Lightpanda: The headless browser designed for AI and auto... by cies on Saturday January 25, 2025 @08:15AM (#42821462)
Indeed DRM is a very different thing from adhering to standards like `robots.txt` as a default out of the box (there could still be a documented option to ignore it).
Re:Lightpanda: The headless browser designed for AI and auto... by concerndc1tizen on Saturday January 25, 2025 @08:17AM (#42821470)
- That's just like, your opinion, man

He was using DRM as a metaphor for restricted software. And advocating that software should do whatever the user wants. If the user is ignorant about the harm the software does, then adding robots.txt support is win-win for all. But if the user doesn't want it, then it's political, in the same way that DRM is political and anti-user.

Re:Lightpanda: The headless browser designed for AI and auto... by concerndc1tizen on Saturday January 25, 2025 @07:12AM (#42821175)
> I find it disturbing

Oh no, someone on the internet found something offensive!

Re:Lightpanda: The headless browser designed for AI and auto... by tossandthrow on Saturday January 25, 2025 @12:15PM (#42822947)
Disturbing, not offensive - it is literally right there in the quote you have been so nice to pass along.