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Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by MR4D on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:53PM (#42787300)
Given the release of the new DeepSeek R1 model [0], OpenAI’s future revenue stream is probably more at risk than it was a week ago.

[0] - https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/01/china-is-catching-up-with...

Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by misiti3780 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:05PM (#42787383)
OpenAI will not exist in 5 years, I'm calling it now. First movers to market dont always win, and they will surely lose.
Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by ipaddr on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:20PM (#42788106)
Google was first mover.
Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by MadnessASAP on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:30PM (#42788197)
In what way? They weren't the first search engine, or advertising on the web?
Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by ipaddr on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @12:37AM (#42789387)
In terms of ai and OpenAI leapfrogged them
Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by paul7986 on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @12:07AM (#42789224)
Yahoo, AOL, Alta Vista (others too) all were search engines on the web before Google's Sept 1998 existence.
Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by locusofself on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @12:26AM (#42789329)
Lycos, Metacrawler, Dogpile. The list goes on
Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by ipaddr on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @12:39AM (#42789395)
Sure, but we are talking ai and the fact that google was first in this space.
Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by paul7986 on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @12:42AM (#42789423)
The first in what? Not in search nor Generative AI.
Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by ipaddr on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @01:16AM (#42789631)
Why would you think search. Google wasn't first for search. They were first for page rank

Google researchers invented the transformer

Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by kettleballroll on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @02:19AM (#42790005)
Who if not Google was the first in generative ai? They invented transformers and diffusion, the cornerstones of text and image generati, respectively.
Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by Philpax on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @05:48AM (#42791369)
They weren't the first to meaningfully commercialise either, though. That remains with OpenAI for both (GPT-3/ChatGPT and DALL-E 2).
Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by AlexCoventry on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:03PM (#42788457)
The question is what's going to be OpenAI's Adwords.
Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by msoad on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @09:07AM (#42792979)
if your birth year starts with 2, I can see why you might think that
Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by WiSaGaN on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:47PM (#42788333)
Not necessarily. DeepSeek will probably only threaten the API usage of OpenAI, which could also be banned in the US if it's too sucessful. API usage is not a main revenue for OpenAI (it is for Anthropic last time I checked). The main competitor for R1 is o1, which isn't gnerally available yet.
Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by MR4D on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @12:59AM (#42789515)
DeepSeek is an open source model. You can download it and run it locally on your laptop already.

So any OpenAI user ( or competitor even) could take it and run a hosted model. You can even tweak the weights if you wanted to.

Why pay for OpenAI access when you can just run your own and save the money?

Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by WiSaGaN on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @01:18AM (#42789651)
The one your laptop can run does not rival what OpenAI offers for money. Still, the issue is not whether third party can run it, it's just the OpenAI seems not putting API as their main product.
Re:Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build ... by MR4D on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @01:10AM (#42789593)