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Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by adriand on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:37PM (#42787201)
Is it unjust to prohibit the sale of illegal drugs, weapons, etc.? Society has good reasons for regulating certain goods. I regularly see people in my community who are enslaved by fentanyl and I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. The society I live in decided to make selling it illegal. What is unjust about that?
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by l0ng1nu5 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:55PM (#42787316)
As I recall weapons weren't permitted on the platform.

The society didn't decide, the ruling class decided to use drug policy to attack their own citizens.

History shows that prohibition is an abject failure. The fent epidemic is symptomatic of this failed policy.

If they actually cared about the epidemic, addicts would have access to regulated, pharmaceutical grade heroin whilst also having ready access to treatment.

But then we'd have empty prisons and the police would be free to solve real crimes so we can't have that.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by 0dayz on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:14PM (#42787459)
Not exactly, fentanyl epidemic was specifically started by one family seek profit and ousted doctors to over prescribe it while claiming it was mildly addictive.

The war on drugs have caused immeasurable harm due to failure to understand most people use drugs either as escapism or as a tendency.

That's why it has failed.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by tayo42 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:22PM (#42787554)
I think you have fentanyl and oxycodone mixed up
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by 0dayz on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @03:44AM (#42790531)
Yes, sorry about that.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by jsheard on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:12PM (#42787436)
Is Trump pushing for broad drug decriminalisation? I feel like that would be necessary for this pardon to make sense on the basis of current drug laws being unjust.

Last I heard he was promising to make drug dealers eligible for the death penalty.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by NekkoDroid on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @02:02AM (#42789903)
Wasn't he also continuously complaining about how mexicans are importing all the drugs to the US (whether or not that statement is even factually correct)? He also recently designated drug cartels as terrorists. So all in all I wouldn't say he is for the decriminalisation of drugs.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by foogazi on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:00PM (#42787910)
So we like drug markets now ?

How are cartels terrorist organizations?

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by hellojesus on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:53PM (#42788382)
I like free markets.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by adriand on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:16PM (#42788069)
> addicts would have access to regulated, pharmaceutical grade heroin

We tried that, it was called the opioid epidemic and Purdue was the pharmacist. We had readily available, doctor-prescribed, high quality narcotics available to anyone who wanted them and the result was an epic disaster that cost thousands of lives.

> weapons weren't permitted on the platform

My mistake.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by l0ng1nu5 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:02PM (#42788449)
>We tried that, it was called the opioid epidemic and Purdue was the pharmacist.

Not really, this was a case of a private company deliberately pushing narcotics for profit without oversight or any associated increase in access to treatment options.

Now the "opioid epidemic" has been replaced with a "fentanyl epidemic" which is objectively a much more dangerous drug with absolutely no regulation and murderous cartels instead of doctors - and we're still throwing people in prison for the crime of being addicts rather than treating it as a medical issue.

I don't know the stats (or if it's even possible to accurately collect statistics due to prohibition) but I'm fairly certain this costs more lives than the short lived opioid epidemic.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by ndriscoll on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:50PM (#42787284)
There are healthier middle grounds we could explore where e.g. advertisements are banned and individuals could register themselves as being banned from participating in certain addictive vices because they don't consistently have the willpower to quit or don't want to tempt fate trying it (and make it a crime to sell to an individual who has voluntarily banned themselves), but it's hard to argue that The War on Drugs has been in any way just.

I expect in such a society, certain groups (e.g. Mormons) would normalize banning yourself from vices the day you turn 18.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by mystified5016 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:18PM (#42787505)
What is just is decided both by an individual and the society they exist in. "It is one's moral obligation to fight injustice" is a pretty common tenent to hold. Injustice can be city laws encouraging anti-homeless spikes. Injustice can also be genocide in a remote country. Those injustices get fought in very different ways. One can be handled by individual vigilanteeism and peacefully petitioning local governance. The other might require global war.

In my personal belief, everyone[0] has the right and moral obligation to fight the injustice they care about at the level they can manage. If that's handing out water at the protest or inventing penicillin, do what you personally can do to improve the world.

[0]the average layperson, obvious exceptions for power/money apply

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by adriand on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:26PM (#42788148)
Sure, but the facts matter. Making millions of dollars by operating a marketplace for illegal drugs is not even close to the same ballpark as protesting a draconian anti-homeless law, let alone resisting genocide!

The only reasonable argument for drug legalization, in my opinion, is the libertarian one - the idea that you should be free to take the drugs you want to take. I am sympathetic to this argument. I am someone who is able to make wise decisions about the drugs I take. But I also recognize that millions of my fellow citizens are not. The harm to society from drug addiction and overdoses outweighs the benefit to me getting high whenever I want.