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Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by mmcwilliams on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:24PM (#42787083)
Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by l0ng1nu5 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:30PM (#42787139)
So were most aristocrats of the time. Applying presentism doesn't invalidate the idea.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by mmcwilliams on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:38PM (#42787211)
But there were also abolitionists at the time, even amongst that class. Jefferson not being among them does, actually, diminish his standing and his views on justice. This quote, for example, does not acknowledge that there are also laws which are unjust to obey; such as the owning of human beings in chattel slavery.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by pizza on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:59PM (#42787349)
I don’t think suggesting that his quote would imply his slaves would be justified in violating their own enslavement is any kind of presentism.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by DannyBee on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:12PM (#42787440)
He never actually said it, either.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:36PM (#42787194)
It is just hypocritical: even his time most people knew slavery was unjust.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by DonHopkins on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:10PM (#42787414)
There were many abolitionists who strongly disagreed with him at the time, who were on the right side of history and morality, and he was on the wrong side. Just like you're CURRENTLY on the wrong side of history and morality today, by arguing that Jefferson was right to hold slaves in the past, to defend breaking the law in the present. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by leptons on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:41PM (#42787226)
I bet Thomas Jefferson never imagined a convicted felon as President.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by arrowsmith on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:54PM (#42787311)
… in a society where slavery was legal, widespread, and rarely questioned.

Murder has never been legal.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by mmcwilliams on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @10:45AM (#42793982)
The legality of it is not in question (the purpose of this quote). It was as unjust then as it is now.