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Re:Elon Musk appears to make back-to-back fascist salutes at... by dang on Monday January 20, 2025 @10:55PM (#42776450)
That's true. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... has lots of explanation of how we approach this, and should also explain why the current story isn't really one that we would turn off flags on.
Re:Elon Musk appears to make back-to-back fascist salutes at... by Xunjin on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:13AM (#42780250)
I'm sorry dang but there is no consistency at all in this decision making, but I do appreciate your work and think you should review why this is been flagged while other posts about "woke culture" were not as other users said in comments.
Re:Elon Musk appears to make back-to-back fascist salutes at... by dang on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:54PM (#42787306)
A couple points. First, I think you guys might be looking for consistency in the wrong place, on a level where it's impossible. I mean the level of specific moderation calls. There are too many factors, such as plain randomness and (yes) human error, for the set of specific moderation calls to ever be consistent. And that's not even considering that the sample set that everyone chooses to decide consistency or not is highly biased (because people tend only to notice the cases they dislike - see [1] for what I mean by that, if interested).

The right place to look for consistency is at the level of moderation principles, and there I do think we've been pretty consistent over the years. Do we apply the principles optimally? No. Do we mostly apply them ok? I hope so (if not, I probably shouldn't be doing this job), and I've spent much time and energy trying to explain what the principles are.

There's another point, though, which is important here. Unfortunately it's more subtle and I'm not sure I can explain it well but I'll try:

There is a temporal decay of interestingness in any sequence of related stories. Curiosity withers under repetition, so we can't have too much repetition [2]. It follows that when you have a sequence of related stories (S1, S2, ... Sn), once S1 has had significant attention, S2 becomes less interesting until enough time has gone by. For example, this is why we tend to downweight follow-ups (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...).

This means, though, that we can't treat related stories consistently, because how interesting they are (in HN's sense of the word) doesn't only depend on the story—it also depends on what else has been discussed recently. In itself, S2 might be a better story for HN than S1, but if they're related enough and S1 was discussed recently, then S2 becomes less interesting (not qua article, but qua HN topic) than it otherwise would have been.

If you take seriously the principle of avoiding repetition, that is how we have to treat these things, and to some extent it becomes a bit of a lottery which story (S1 or S2) comes first and thereby "wins". But if you only consider the articles themselves, this seems highly inconsistent! "Why was S1 on-topic but not S2?" is thus a common question.

From a moderation point of view, where we're more concerned with the overall functioning of the site (e.g. not having too much repetition), we actually care less about the specific stories than users do.

[editing - bear with me...]

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

Re:Elon Musk appears to make back-to-back fascist salutes at... by em-bee on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @06:41AM (#42791676)
this makes total sense to me. but the key takeaway for me is this: There is an endless stream of stories in every category. Few matter much in the long run.

everyone has their own favorite topics and if i see posts with my preferred topics not get traction i am disappointed. but there are so many reasons why that may have happened, it's not worth losing sleep over, much less blame moderation.

there is no agenda here to promote the right stories and hide the wrong ones. the only goal is to promote engaging discussions. those discussions are why i am coming here. i will also admit to often checking comments first exactly because i want to see if there is an engaging discussion that i would want to join.

for this particular topic it is morbid curiosity to see if an engaging discussion will ever happen. so far it hasn't, which matches my expectations. (well, except for this sub thread about moderation)