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Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by kylec on Saturday July 21, 2012 @04:28PM (#4275676)

    Sparrow’s acquisition is a success story. Indie devs make a great product,
    build a customer-base, and are rewarded with a buy-out from a big company
    and they get new jobs with that company. It might not be what your
    particular goal or end-game is, but it is a success.
From an end-user perspective, having software you use and rely on on a daily basis completely abandoned is not a successful outcome. The Sparrow devs may have won, but Sparrow users have lost.
Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by ok_craig on Saturday July 21, 2012 @07:42PM (#4276038)
Alternatively, Gmail users potentially gain from the talent acquisition. Arguably, the win could be greater than the loss.
Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by c0nfused on Sunday July 22, 2012 @02:02AM (#4276594)
As a non sparrow user, this is exactly how I read this whole story. Google buys up 3rd party gmail mac developers group.

This seems like an obvious case of products/teams that should work well together. Something about synergies and all that.

Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by cgomez on Saturday July 21, 2012 @10:01PM (#4276241)
How have they lost? Sparrow doesn't work any less well than it did before the acquisition. This is not a product that relied on a service that has been shut down. It still has the same utility it did before.

I guess my feeling on it is that I paid for an app on Mac on iOS that works fine, has no showstopping bugs and I have more than gotten my money's worth. Sure, push would have been nice on iOS, but to put it bluntly, the Sparrow team don't owe anybody anything. Esecpailly for Mac users, as it was pretty feature complete as is.

Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by gurkendoktor on Sunday July 22, 2012 @01:06AM (#4276507)
I wonder if the Mac Sparrow userbase is a very "early adopter"ish user base that has never really thought about abandonware on the desktop before. (There is no abandonware in web services, they just disappear.) TextMate 1, NewsFire and Photoshop CS3 are still very much alive on my computer. I have friends on 10.6 and Skype 2.8 (as far as I know), and family using software that came with their decade old Windows XP machine. No big deal.

The iOS userbase I can understand, as the devs apparently teased them with iPad screenshots.

Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by cgomez on Sunday July 22, 2012 @01:58AM (#4276590)
Textmate is a terrific example.
Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by ChrisLTD on Saturday July 21, 2012 @05:03PM (#4275750)
Exactly. It's a success story for those acquired. Whether or not wider society benefits depends on what they create while at Google.
Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by huhtenberg on Saturday July 21, 2012 @04:48PM (#4275721)
Since when does "put in maintenance mode" equal to "completely abandoned"?
Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by OmegaHN on Saturday July 21, 2012 @04:53PM (#4275734)
It's like the word "indefinitely". It may mean "we can start it back up anytime!" from a dictionary sense, but it's actual use is that "it's probably not coming back".

"Maintenance" means that they will fix major issues that the paying customers are legally entitled to (such as bugs that make the app unusable). They will do nothing beyond that.

Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by emeltzer on Saturday July 21, 2012 @05:37PM (#4275803)
What law entitles users to bug fixes for major issues?
Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by repsilat on Saturday July 21, 2012 @07:30PM (#4276006)
Nobody is arguing this is a legal problem, they're arguing that this is a moral problem.

Users did buy into the Sparrow thing because they expected updates/maintenance etc etc. Their purchase was contingent on the ongoing support of the service, they would not have bought a product they thought would be discontinued.

Now, you can argue that they should have known that the service might disappear without warning, that they should never have used it if there was the possibility of them being bought, but where does that leave us? Should people just stop buying popular apps created by small companies? Should people insist on a legally binding "community promise" to open-source a product if active development stops?

This also neglects the fact that users are statistically credulous - as a group they're simply not rational enough to seriously consider the possibility of the developer being acquired. The Sparrow guys had to have known this, so they either did something unethical when they sold the app or they did something unethical when they sold the company. The blog post says that it is fine to take advantage of them for their credulity, but that's not an ethical position, that's just Ayn Rand.

Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by 18pfsmt on Saturday July 21, 2012 @09:14PM (#4276178)
>Nobody is arguing this is a legal problem, they're arguing that this is a moral problem.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. The comment above the one to which you are replying states:

"Maintenance" means that they will fix major issues that the paying customers are legally entitled to (such as bugs that make the app unusable).

It's almost like you completely ignored this to make some point about Ayn Rand.

>Now, you can argue that they should have known that the service might disappear without warning

What service? We are talking about a downloadable application that is locally stored on the user's device until they delete it. It will not stop working. I've been using an old version of Thunderbird for a while now simply because I haven't felt like upgrading and setting up all my GPG stuff again.

These things may seem like nitpicks, but I think the nuance here is important and is being skipped over in favor of complaining about something. The reaction is way overblown in my opinion.

Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by repsilat on Sunday July 22, 2012 @04:10AM (#4276764)
> The comment above the one to which you are replying states:

>> ...fix major issues that the paying customers are legally entitled to...

Ah craps. You're right, I skipped over that comment and assumed the one I was replying to was making a different point. I look like an ass, and it serves me right. I'd delete or edit the post to make a retraction, but HN has decided that it's important to keep my mistakes around for posterity.

Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by res0nat0r on Saturday July 21, 2012 @09:08PM (#4276172)
From what you said above it sounds like Microsoft should also still be releasing and providing you patches for Windows 95. You paid a one time fee for an application, if you wanted support and updates for it forever you should have expected to be paying a monthly / yearly fee. If at the time the updates stop coming, then the company should just stop charging you the ongoing support fee.

Expecting lifetime support for a one time flat payment of almost nothing is pretty silly.

Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by repsilat on Sunday July 22, 2012 @04:05AM (#4276755)
The "lifetime support" argument doesn't follow from anything I said. Users may not have been savvy to the possibility of the software being discontinued in this fashion, but they certainly understand that an end-of-life is inevitable. They're used to free updates over the natural lifespan of the product, and they feel that there's been a breach of courtesy when the natural lifespan of a product is willfully cut short.
Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by Sayter on Sunday July 22, 2012 @12:33PM (#4277677)
What defines the natural lifespan of a product?
Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by repsilat on Monday July 23, 2012 @09:45PM (#4283905)
I don't know. I know that Windows 95 has long since reached the end of its natural lifespan, and that users feel that Sparrow's life was "cut short". I'm sure there isn't a sharp dividing line, but we don't really need one in this case - it's clear which side this falls on.
Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by res0nat0r on Tuesday July 24, 2012 @04:28PM (#4287799)
Sparrows lifespan is whenever the developers feel like not supporting it anymore.
Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by durga on Sunday July 22, 2012 @02:52AM (#4276654)
Any software out there has a lifetime. Some go sooner, some later. What's the big deal?

Nice opportunity for an fast opportunistic developer to go and develop a kickass alternative and start selling it..

Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by tuananh on Saturday July 21, 2012 @11:27PM (#4276357)
because i don't give a crap about 'maintenance mode". it's like an announcement "we will continue to provide the service blah blah blah .." and the service got shutdown 1 or 2 months later.
Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by rogerchucker on Saturday July 21, 2012 @04:42PM (#4275707)
Does Sparrow's shelving completely block your access to your favorite email service?
Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by mattmanser on Saturday July 21, 2012 @07:33PM (#4276010)
What does that have to do with his point? It's totally irrelevant.

People love Sparrow, I can only assume because it made their lives better.

A tiny few are benefiting from the Sparrow acquisition, lots are realizing they're going to suffer in the long run by having to degrade, or at least Sparrow eventually falling behind other products in some areas.

But obviously the product wasn't generating enough revenue to protect it from a predatory acquisition.

This is no different from the 80s days of people buying companies to dismantle them so they can sell the assets.

It's just that the assets are developers.

So people are lamenting that something, somewhere in the equation is wrong. And it's probably down to the low prices they're charging in the app store.

Cheer on the cash out all you like, but it's never good for the customers. Time and time and time again the customers always suffer in these kind of acquisitions.

Re:Entitlement and Acquisition by rogerchucker on Saturday July 21, 2012 @07:43PM (#4276043)
The email service is more important than a fucking app that makes one's life better. This kind of hysteria should be reserved for the day that email service shuts down.

BTW low pricing of apps is essentially (or at least was at the beginning) because without that Apple would not have been successful in persuading consumers to adopt paid apps on a tiny device - in most consumers' mind (even today), a software is worth paying if it is on a "real computer" and does something "big" (like statistics or anti-virus or the OS). Everything else is taken for granted and to change that mindset low prices were a necessity. And it still is thanks to the gazillion apps out there.