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Re:Supreme Court rules to uphold TikTok ban, setting stage f... by bdndndndbve on Friday January 17, 2025 @11:18AM (#42739522)
Unlike in America where... they say it's a national security threat and vote to remove it?
Re:Supreme Court rules to uphold TikTok ban, setting stage f... by BugsJustFindMe on Friday January 17, 2025 @11:25AM (#42739657)
Only the control by a foreign adversary part is being threatened in the US, not the algorithmic opium part twisting the minds of the population. They're two different things. The US so far has no qualms with it if an American is in control of the strings. That's where China differs.
Re:Supreme Court rules to uphold TikTok ban, setting stage f... by JumpCrisscross on Friday January 17, 2025 @11:36AM (#42739877)
> The US so far has no qualms with it if an American is in control of the strings. That's where China differs

Legally, there is no issue with TikTok being Japanese, Korean, Indian, Saudi, Polish, Ugandan, Brazilian or Mexican. Just not owned by a foreign adversary country.

Re:Supreme Court rules to uphold TikTok ban, setting stage f... by dpkirchner on Friday January 17, 2025 @12:04PM (#42740374)
Don't fool yourself or fall for the propaganda: China is hardly an adversary -- just look at how much money we send them and how many goods they send us. If they were truly an adversary we'd be treating them like we do Russia.
Re:Supreme Court rules to uphold TikTok ban, setting stage f... by JumpCrisscross on Friday January 17, 2025 @12:08PM (#42740459)
> If they were truly an adversary we'd be treating them like we do Russia

As you said, we trade with them extensively. We didn’t tighten the screws on Russia until it actually invaded Ukraine. Until Xi actually invades Taiwan, it’s profitable to pretend.

Re:Supreme Court rules to uphold TikTok ban, setting stage f... by daedrdev on Friday January 17, 2025 @01:12PM (#42741434)
Chinese ships LITERALLY just cut 3 undersea cables in US allied countries to mess with us.
Re:Supreme Court rules to uphold TikTok ban, setting stage f... by dpkirchner on Friday January 17, 2025 @02:22PM (#42742207)
Oh maybe we should do something about that and actually treat them like an adversary.
Re:Supreme Court rules to uphold TikTok ban, setting stage f... by BugsJustFindMe on Friday January 17, 2025 @11:41AM (#42739969)
Yes, thank you. I've updated the earlier sentence from "foreign control" to "control by a foreign adversary". It's indeed the fact that China is a geopolitical enemy-to-be that's the problem.
Re:Supreme Court rules to uphold TikTok ban, setting stage f... by ryandrake on Friday January 17, 2025 @11:57AM (#42740245)
But, they're also something like our third biggest trading partner. China is like a Schroedinger's Adversary: Simultaneously an adversary and a friend, until you ask a politician and the wave function collapses and he picks one.
Re:Supreme Court rules to uphold TikTok ban, setting stage f... by JumpCrisscross on Friday January 17, 2025 @12:08PM (#42740474)
> Simultaneously an adversary and a friend, until you ask a politician and the wave function collapses and he picks one

Which politician argues China is a friend?

We bought Soviet oil in the 1970s [1].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_trade_of_the_Soviet_...

Re:Supreme Court rules to uphold TikTok ban, setting stage f... by JumpCrisscross on Friday January 17, 2025 @11:21AM (#42739584)
> they say it's a national security threat and vote to remove it?

From app stores and American hosting. Only if Bytedance doesn’t sell TikTok to e.g. a French or Indian or American owner. TikTok.com will still resolve (unless Bytedance blocks it).

China literally blocks information.

Re:Supreme Court rules to uphold TikTok ban, setting stage f... by herval on Friday January 17, 2025 @11:26AM (#42739693)
Any country has mechanisms to ban products the government deems as bad. I think the point is those are much more liberally used in China vs in the US, not that the US would be unable to do it
Re:Supreme Court rules to uphold TikTok ban, setting stage f... by nthingtohide on Friday January 17, 2025 @11:50AM (#42740115)
America uses economic sanctions and bombs.
Re:Supreme Court rules to uphold TikTok ban, setting stage f... by toss1 on Friday January 17, 2025 @11:33AM (#42739848)
1) A single party apparatus determines something must be removed, and by fiat it is immediately removed

2) Multiple agencies investigate and make a determination that a real threat exists, the threat and measures to resolve it are debated strongly in two houses of Congress between strongly opposing parties, an passes with bi-partisan support, the law is signed by the President, then the law is upheld through multiple challenges in multiple courts and panels of judges, finally being upheld by the Supreme Court of the country. And no, this is not yet a situation where the country has fallen into autocracy so the institutions have all been corrupted to serve the executive (I.e., not like Hungary, Venezuela, Russia, etc.).

If you think these are the same... I'll just be polite and say the ignorance expressed in that post is truly stunning and wherever you got your education has deeply failed — yikes.