California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after the Los Angeles fires

Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by mmooss on Thursday January 16, 2025 @01:32PM (#42729029)

> Ultimately this is the basis for governance

That's a myth / fantasy of gun and violence zealots and anti-liberals.

Obviously, to scholars and to anyone looking at the world, the basis for governance is consent. There are not enough guns in the world to do it otherwise. And I've never and I don't know anyone who has ever done something because the government pointed a gun at them. They did it because they are law-abiding people, social beings, and want a fair, ordered society.

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Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by Ancapistani on Thursday January 16, 2025 @02:29PM (#42729776)

> the basis for governance is consent

For governance, perhaps, but not for government.

A trivial example: I do not consent to the authority of my city, county, state, or country. I have withheld that consent my entire life, and yet all those levels of government continue to not only exist, but to grow.

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Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by mmooss on Thursday January 16, 2025 @04:52PM (#42731391)

You're weird. Humans normally, almost all consent.

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Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by Ancapistani on Thursday January 16, 2025 @05:53PM (#42731933)

… and those humans who do not consent are coerced by any means necessary, up to and including force.

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Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by hollerith on Thursday January 16, 2025 @01:37PM (#42729086)

I don't suspect that OP fails to understand the importance of consent, but I do suspect that you fail to understand the importance of lawful carefully-target violence.

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Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by mmooss on Thursday January 16, 2025 @04:53PM (#42731402)

I understand the fantasy of a world where sociality doesn't exist. Maybe nerds find it easier to calculate, not understanding the social part well at all.

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Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by hollerith on Thursday January 16, 2025 @05:13PM (#42731580)

If our police departments and jails were disbanded and torn down, would that constitute an improvement or a worsening of our society in your opinion?

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Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by whimsicalism on Thursday January 16, 2025 @06:02PM (#42732023)

always a sign of a winning argument when you call your interlocutors nerds

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Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by mmooss on Thursday January 16, 2025 @10:17PM (#42733726)

It's not an insult to me; is it to you?

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