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Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by palmfacehn on Thursday January 16, 2025 @01:02PM (#42728607)
Ultimately this is the basis for governance, including zoning and code enforcement. However, I agree with your sentiment.

You'll notice the loaded language used in the title of the article: "California's future depends on how leaders rebuild". Ideally I would think that the landowners should have priority in deciding what is built on their land. After all it is still at least nominally their private property.

Expect further arguments towards a subjectively perceived "greater collective good" to follow from that point. After this is established, the ends justify the means. In this case, the above poster explicitly describes the means as "men with guns".

Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by mmooss on Thursday January 16, 2025 @01:32PM (#42729029)
> Ultimately this is the basis for governance

That's a myth / fantasy of gun and violence zealots and anti-liberals.

Obviously, to scholars and to anyone looking at the world, the basis for governance is consent. There are not enough guns in the world to do it otherwise. And I've never and I don't know anyone who has ever done something because the government pointed a gun at them. They did it because they are law-abiding people, social beings, and want a fair, ordered society.

Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by Ancapistani on Thursday January 16, 2025 @02:29PM (#42729776)
> the basis for governance is consent

For governance, perhaps, but not for government.

A trivial example: I do not consent to the authority of my city, county, state, or country. I have withheld that consent my entire life, and yet all those levels of government continue to not only exist, but to grow.

Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by mmooss on Thursday January 16, 2025 @04:52PM (#42731391)
You're weird. Humans normally, almost all consent.
Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by Ancapistani on Thursday January 16, 2025 @05:53PM (#42731933)
… and those humans who do not consent are coerced by any means necessary, up to and including force.
Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by hollerith on Thursday January 16, 2025 @01:37PM (#42729086)
I don't suspect that OP fails to understand the importance of consent, but I do suspect that you fail to understand the importance of lawful carefully-target violence.
Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by mmooss on Thursday January 16, 2025 @04:53PM (#42731402)
I understand the fantasy of a world where sociality doesn't exist. Maybe nerds find it easier to calculate, not understanding the social part well at all.
Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by hollerith on Thursday January 16, 2025 @05:13PM (#42731580)
If our police departments and jails were disbanded and torn down, would that constitute an improvement or a worsening of our society in your opinion?
Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by whimsicalism on Thursday January 16, 2025 @06:02PM (#42732023)
always a sign of a winning argument when you call your interlocutors nerds
Re:California's future depends on how leaders rebuild after ... by mmooss on Thursday January 16, 2025 @10:17PM (#42733726)
It's not an insult to me; is it to you?