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Re:Nepenthes is a tarpit to catch AI web crawlers by grajaganDev on Thursday January 16, 2025 @10:52AM (#42726912)
Are you a lawyer?
Re:Nepenthes is a tarpit to catch AI web crawlers by observationist on Thursday January 16, 2025 @11:33AM (#42727516)
I'm able to understand the rules by which the society in which I exist operates without having a law degree. Laws are published, and discussed by specialist lawyers, who, like every other type of nerd, love to geek out about their specialties and discuss the case law and precedents. Blogs like https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2023/03/after-hiq-labs... , and all sorts of discussions on HN and other forums are available and cover the topic frequently and thoroughly.

The civics surrounding the rights and responsibilities of website and server operators really should be communicated better; a more informed general public would allow better regulation and legislation to be created.

Robots.txt should have the legal standing of a No Trespassing sign. You should be able to dictate terms to a reasonable degree on a public site; it shouldn't be legal to effectively DOS someone endlessly and repeatedly without recourse. As it stands, though, there's not a lot of protections for little guys. You have to implement a login mechanism, or some way of identifying unique visitors and requiring authentication, in order to impose your own rules on a site.

Re:Nepenthes is a tarpit to catch AI web crawlers by jazzyjackson on Thursday January 16, 2025 @01:58PM (#42729369)
I broadly agree with what you're trying to get across here, but I don't see why I can't set my own standards for what use of my server is authorized or not.

If I publish content at my domain, I can set up blocklists to refuse access to IP ranges I consider more likely to be malicious than not. Is that not already breaking the social contract you're pointing to wrt serving content public ? picking and choosing which parts of the public will get a response from my server ? (I would also be interested to know if there is actual law vs social contracts around behavior) So why shouldn't I be able enforce expectations on how my server is used? The vigilantism aspect of harming the person breaking the rules is another matter, I'm on the fence.

Consider the standard warning posted to most government sites, which is more or less a "no trespassing sign" [0] informing anyone accessing the system what their expectations should be and what counts as authorized use. I suppose it's not a legally binding contract to say "you agree to these terms by requesting this url" but I'm pretty sure convictions have happened with hackers who did not have a contract with the service provider.

[0] https://ir.nist.gov/