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Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by Simon_O_Rourke on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:15AM (#42683611)
Who are the 18 key allies that can get our chips?
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by sct202 on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:18AM (#42683639)
The 18 countries with no restrictions are: UK, Canada, Australia, Japan, France, Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Republic of Korea, Spain, Sweden and Taiwan. https://www.wired.com/story/new-us-rule-aims-to-block-chinas...

Singapore and Israel are notably absent.

Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by netdevphoenix on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:31AM (#42683761)
Why are you singling Singapore? It's not a particularly close ally. It's like Switzerland, neutral.
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by kcb on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:38AM (#42683833)
They're trusted enough to purchase F-35s.
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by michaelt on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:55AM (#42684031)
Well, there's a bunch of different dimensions of trust.

Britain will work hand-in-hand with the US with regards to fighter jets, nuclear weapons and spy agency cooperation.

But America doesn't trust Britain's blood sausage and haggis, or its traditional unpasteurised cheeses. And Britain doesn't trust America's chlorinated chicken, GMOs or guns.

Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by alephnerd on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:39AM (#42683844)
Singapore is VERY close to the US.

One of the US's largest naval bases is in Singapore, they are one of the very few countries allowed by the US to buy F35s (F35s are interconnected, so being given entry into the F35 program means being given entry to the entire intranet used to manage it), and plenty of US Naval officers cross-train and study with Singaporean naval officers at NUS.

Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by lazide on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:42AM (#42683891)
They’re basically Asian Israel.
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by alephnerd on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:58AM (#42684072)
At a macro level they look similar, but when you dig closer it starts to fall to the wayside.

A major driver for Singapore's initial growth was the fact that it is the de facto Oil Refinery hub in ASEAN - much of the oil that is extracted in Malaysia or Indonesia has had to be routed to Singapore at some point.

It has the benefit of having a strong financial service sector thanks to a business law system that strives to maintain parity with that in the UK and the US, but it's a very narrow industry that most Singaporeans don't partake in.

Also, Singapore has always had strong economic relations with it's neighbors Malaysia and Indonesia (even at it's worst points). Most of the business leadership in both countries are ethnic Chinese with blood relations in Singapore, which made it easier for Singapore to leverage it's position.

A major downside I've noticed in SG when I've travelled there a bunch is the lack of a truly strong innovation ecosystem. Sure there are plenty of startups, but most of them are just Chinese or Indian startups that are leveraging a Singapore CoLo to simplify investment. Much of the actual R&D and even leadership capacity remains in China or India.

SG is a very hierarchical country and that really limits their innovation capacity. Back in my undergrad, I knew 5 A*STAR candidates and a couple other bonded service candidates - of them maybe 50% returned to Singapore, and those that did were from households who owned a house (iykyk). The rest got offers with tech companies here in the US and broke bond. Even in the SAF, races segregate into their own units (eg. Ethnic Malays are de facto banned from airforce and high clearance positions).

Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by netdevphoenix on Tuesday January 14, 2025 @04:17AM (#42695306)
That seems to assume that Israel is not in Asia
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by lazide on Tuesday January 14, 2025 @06:11AM (#42695964)
for some strange reason when I say Saudi Arabia is the biggest Asian oil country, everyone gets confused too.

it’s a different enough area geologically and politically, there is a reason everyone calls the region the middle east.

Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by netdevphoenix on Tuesday January 14, 2025 @06:22AM (#42696009)
No one should be confused about your statement. Middle East is a region in Asia. The hint is in the word "East" which references Asia.

Do you imagine people calling the Earth flat because "everyone says it is"?

Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by lazide on Tuesday January 14, 2025 @06:44AM (#42696126)
The Middle East is in Western Asia. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East]

The East in the Middle East (and frankly also the ‘Middle’) has nothing to do with it being in Asia.

If it did, Japan would likely be the Middle East. Or maybe Thailand, depending.

Instead, Japanese and Chinese are typically referred to as ‘East Asians’.

Usually, if someone is going to say anything at all about West or Central Asians, they tend to be referring to the ‘stans and/or Mongolia. Since Russia’s a bit… special. And takes up most of the rest.

The more you know.

Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by netdevphoenix on Tuesday January 14, 2025 @06:56AM (#42696201)
Your first statement proves my point that Israel is in Asia. Unless you believe that Western Asia is not in Asia or that people in Western Asia are not Asians. China and Japan are referred to as the Far East. As I said, the keyword is "East" which references Asia. The "Middle" refers to it being between Europe and the Far East. Hence the Middle East. I thought this was common knowledge.

I don't think there is any need for sarcasm. It's common knowledge that there are 6-7 continents (depending on how you want to count the Americas).

Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by lazide on Tuesday January 14, 2025 @07:58AM (#42696632)
No one in western media is going to say Western Asia for the Middle East. As you well know. I’ve never heard it in media in Asia either.

And most people in the English speaking world would be very confused if you tried - just like you were, when you tried to say it was because the Middle East was in East Asia.

Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by netdevphoenix on Tuesday January 14, 2025 @08:51AM (#42697195)
Not sure why you hold the media to such a high standard given its history of ignoring the science regarding health claims, climate change denials or covid misinformation. I wouldn't focus too much on that. :)

"you tried to say it was because the Middle East was in East Asia". I didn't. This is what I said (quoted): "Middle East is a region in Asia". And you said "The Middle East is in Western Asia" which supports my point.

Most people in the English speaking world get confused with basic math (as indicated by studies by the OECD and Santander among others) or world geography (especially concerning territories outside the western world, this seems to be anecdotally true in the US).

Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by lazide on Tuesday January 14, 2025 @09:33AM (#42697642)
What are you even arguing?
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by netdevphoenix on Tuesday January 14, 2025 @09:49AM (#42697849)
See my first reply if you forgot: "That seems to assume that Israel is not in Asia". You seemed to disagree.
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by jankeymeulen on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:53AM (#42684011)
Take a look where (US) hyperscalers have presence, they still need to be able to expand.
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by philipwhiuk on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:40AM (#42683857)
Only having part of the EU is an interesting decision.
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by hsbauauvhabzb on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:50AM (#42683981)
The rest need to split their orders into 1,699 units per shipment.
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by z2 on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:26AM (#42683713)
Perhaps Switzerland is too neutral as well.
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by alephnerd on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:22AM (#42683674)
Israel probably due to NPT violations (same with India) and probably Singapore due to existing compliance issues with export controlled products being exported to China or Russia (same with UAE and India).
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by devsda on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:31AM (#42683762)
> NPT violations (same with India)

Just a small correction.

India is not a signatory to NPT. There's no violation.

Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by alephnerd on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:36AM (#42683813)
That's the violation. Same reason Israel isn't included despite being a major NATO+ member.

Just because you aren't a party to an agreement doesn't mean you aren't in violation of it.

Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by lupire on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:44AM (#42683906)
They are not in compliance with the provisions. They aren't violating anything. They can't violate a promise they haven't made.
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by Workaccount2 on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:49AM (#42683974)
While you are technically correct, they still are getting denied because they wouldn't make the promise. So the outcome is the same.
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by yread on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:58AM (#42684068)
Or Poland
Re:WH Executive Order Affecting Chips and AI Models by T-A on Monday January 13, 2025 @01:58PM (#42687160)
Along with every other country in Eastern Europe, plus long-time NATO members Greece and Turkey. And in the West, there's Iceland, Luxembourg and Portugal.