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Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by rayiner on Monday January 13, 2025 @07:50AM (#42682874)
You’re making the world worse, not better. First, you’re perpetuating the idea that anybody should be offended by anything like this. You’re never going to meet an actual Melanesian cargo culter, and nobody else should take offense to this phrase.

Second, you’re impairing your own ability to communicate with doers because most smart people know what the term “cargo cult” means from Feynman.

Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by galactus on Monday January 13, 2025 @08:28AM (#42683197)
Do you believe that language should remain unchanged, or that it should evolve only for reasons beyond conscious intention?
Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by rayiner on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:22AM (#42683670)
I’m not okay with evolving language intentionally out of a mistaken belief that minorities are so fragile that we need to change the way we talk.
Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by dblohm7 on Monday January 13, 2025 @12:19PM (#42685860)
I would argue that such intentional changes to language isn't "evolution" at all. Sure, language evolves, but not by some kind of edict.
Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by exBarrelSpoiler on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:44AM (#42683910)
Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by baggy_trough on Monday January 13, 2025 @12:20PM (#42685874)
It's not evolution - more like language eugenics.
Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by throwingrocks on Monday January 13, 2025 @08:32AM (#42683230)
> most smart people know what the term “cargo cult” means from Feynman

Unsure which group you’re in after making this generalization

Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by teleforce on Monday January 13, 2025 @09:03AM (#42683503)
Not smart people but probably mostly software and computer people in general (but if you equate software and computer people with smart people then the statement is true).

Apparently, Fundamental of Data Engineering book does refer to cargo-cult metaphor inside its content [1].

[1] Fundamentals of Data Engineering:

https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/fundamentals-of-data/97...

Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by michaelt on Monday January 13, 2025 @08:37AM (#42683267)
Sure, people should be more thick-skinned.

But if I'm pulling out the 'cargo cult' metaphor, it's because I'm about to criticise someone for unquestioningly repeating things they've seen elsewhere, without understanding the details.

So if I repeat some nonsense urban legend as fact, in order to criticise them for taking nonsense urban legends as fact - that's going to make me look kinda dumb. Even if it is an urban legend I heard from a nobel prize winner - I can't criticise the mote in my brother's eye until I've removed the beam in my own eye.

Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by TeMPOraL on Monday January 13, 2025 @08:51AM (#42683394)
I think the reason some people have problems here is that the term "cargo cult" is in the middle of transition from being merely a reference to a story (which you need to explain to someone half the time you utter the phrase), into being an independent phrase with its own established meaning - i.e. taking meaning from how it's used, instead of the original story.

(Now I wonder whether Tamarian language is really referencing stories, or referencing the popular understanding of those stories. Sokath, his eyes closed.)

Re:It's time to abandon the cargo cult metaphor by skywhopper on Monday January 13, 2025 @08:53AM (#42683407)
You clearly didn’t read the article. Feynman didn’t know what cargo cults were, he repeated misinformation from a movie that incorrectly dramatized real practice. And further, his “cargo cult science” definition doesn’t match the modern-day “cargo cult programming” definition.

The point is that the metaphor is not just oversimplified and misinformed, but means conflicting things and is overused to the point that is meaningless.