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Re:Finland's Zero Homeless Strategy: Lessons from a Success ... by Arn_Thor on Saturday January 11, 2025 @05:54AM (#42664993)
Whether the very real fear of the homeless/mentally ill/drug addicted is justified and rational is a big elephant in the room.
Re:Finland's Zero Homeless Strategy: Lessons from a Success ... by mmooss on Saturday January 11, 2025 @05:44PM (#42669542)
Fear is a feeling, and I'm not sure what "very real" means, as if your feelings are matter of national importance. If someone commits a crime, then the people are justified in acting - in a proportionate, necessary way - through government. Otherwise, your fear is your problem. Maybe the homeless person is scared of you - after all, you can call the police and subject them to serious abuse.

I agree that it's an often implied issue, but I think the sub-subtext, the point of it all, is far more serious: whether you can do things to other people - via the state or personally - for arbitrary reasons. That is, whether people have universal human rights. That is the elephant they are hunting.

They have found their best test cases, their best steps toward destroying universal human rights, with homeless people, people without legal immigration status, and those engaging in progressive protests.

They won't stop there, of course. It's either human rights for all or for none.

Re:Finland's Zero Homeless Strategy: Lessons from a Success ... by Arn_Thor on Sunday January 12, 2025 @02:16AM (#42671840)
I'm saying the fear people feel is real, and "valid" in the sense that the rest of us must recognize it, not dismiss it.

Only when we meet people in the fearful place they're at, and they feel heard, can we start to try to make them see that the fear is not justified or rational compared with the actual risk posed by the homeless or mentally ill or what have you.

I do agree, it's human rights for everyone or no-one.

Re:Finland's Zero Homeless Strategy: Lessons from a Success ... by mmooss on Sunday January 12, 2025 @02:03PM (#42675907)
I generally agree, but that's perhaps more appropriate for the vulnerable. For powerful, fearful people, they need to stop actualizing it or making it important before they hurt someone.