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Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by rbanffy on Thursday January 09, 2025 @06:02AM (#42644049)
It's still a reasonably competent very small desktop computer, and the best supported small ARM machine you can find.
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by n144q on Thursday January 09, 2025 @07:19AM (#42644521)
You can find plenty of YouTube videos for that but I bet you rarely find anyone who actually uses it that way on a daily basis. The performance and desktop experience are just miserable.
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by iamtedd on Thursday January 09, 2025 @06:22AM (#42644165)
> the best supported small ARM machine you can find.

Wouldn't that be the new Mac mini?

Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by mekster on Thursday January 09, 2025 @06:37AM (#42644255)
It means running Linux or BSD comfortably on it.
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by Retr0id on Thursday January 09, 2025 @07:05AM (#42644427)
This is true of M2 mac minis at least
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by TiredOfLife on Thursday January 09, 2025 @07:30AM (#42644617)
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by Gracana on Thursday January 09, 2025 @07:54AM (#42644831)
I really want one of those machines, but I will be shocked if they are even "well supported," let alone "best supported."
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by TiredOfLife on Thursday January 09, 2025 @09:19AM (#42645778)
They ship with linux. Macs have zero linux support from Apple
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by rbanffy on Thursday January 09, 2025 @10:58AM (#42646871)
It costs $3000, and Nvidia is known to drop support for their developer platforms quickly.
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by rbanffy on Thursday January 09, 2025 @10:57AM (#42646865)
Should have specified "for Linux".
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by nottorp on Thursday January 09, 2025 @06:05AM (#42644070)
Yes but at this price it competes with machines with real nvme storage and upgradeable ram.

And it’s not even low power any more.

Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by teamonkey on Thursday January 09, 2025 @06:53AM (#42644352)
2W idle isn't low-power?
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by nottorp on Thursday January 09, 2025 @07:36AM (#42644669)
It requires active cooling doesn't it...
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by smurfdaddy on Thursday January 09, 2025 @08:31AM (#42645222)
I've had good luck with entirely passive cooling for a pi5. It was 12 bucks for a the osb cnc aluminum version. https://www.digikey.com/en/blog/edatecs-two-fan-less-cnc-cas...
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by klibertp on Thursday January 09, 2025 @09:15AM (#42645734)
Pi 4, depending on the environment, also needed active cooling, in my experience. Especially in summer, with room temperature above 28*C, it couldn't handle any load until I added a fan. (The good thing about it was that I could control the fan with PWM easily - it was fun :))
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by nottorp on Thursday January 09, 2025 @11:08AM (#42646977)
But the Pi 3 didn't. You'd think with the process improvements they'll be able to have more performance in the same heat envelope, but they want to do their own Pentium IV...
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by rbanffy on Thursday January 09, 2025 @04:38PM (#42650040)
Process improvements can only go that far - register banks, speculative execution, instruction reordering, many execution units and so on use power, but are needed because the processor can be faster, but the memory is still much slower.
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by nottorp on Friday January 10, 2025 @08:34AM (#42655455)
I'd agree except the laptop i'm typing this on seems to use 4.5 W right now, the whole system :)

I don't expect Apple like power/performance ratio from everyone, but they could at least try...

Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by justin66 on Thursday January 09, 2025 @09:53AM (#42646211)
No, it does not.
Re:New 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $120 by rbanffy on Thursday January 09, 2025 @10:55AM (#42646841)
The Pi500, which is essentially the same hardware, works with passive cooling.

Active coolers exist to fit within the tiny footprint. If you have the space, you can go with passive cooling or a cooling case (essentially a large heatsink).