LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

Re:LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed by azemetre on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @11:25PM (#42641618)

And go where exactly? To towns that don't even have the tax base to support themselves and lack jobs?

It's not like suburbs aren't sitting on financial bombs either.

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Re:LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed by rayiner on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @11:55PM (#42641744)

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/fiscal-stab...

I moved to unincorporated exurban Maryland. The state government is a mess, but it’s mostly preoccupied dealing with Baltimore. Our county is great. Good schools with modest per student spending, the friendliest police I’ve ever interacted with. Even our county landfill is one of the cleanest and most orderly facilities I’ve ever seen. Nicer than most of New York City for sure.

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Re:LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed by khafra on Thursday January 09, 2025 @07:20AM (#42644524)

I'd imagine that a lot of the people reading this work in tech, where pretty much every company has instituted return-to-office mandates.

And of course, even if you were willing to spend several hours a day commuting, if you're in California exurban areas aren't exactly safer from wildfires.

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Re:LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed by rayiner on Thursday January 09, 2025 @07:59AM (#42644882)

That is unfortunate for them. But let me tell you how amazing our landfill is. To me, it exemplifies the best of America. It’s so clean and organized, run by orderly, polite, and helpful people. Every time I have to throw out some bulky items, the experience gives me confidence in our local government. My parents, who grew up in Bangladesh, are also amazed by it. Our local county clerk’s office is amazing too. I needed to get one of my kid’s birth certificates reprinted. I went down the street, to the basement of some sober and cost-effective building that was built in the 1980s, and had a new copy in 20 minutes.

I grew up in northern VA in the 1990s and I thought that the whole of America (besides NYC obviously) was like that. Super clean, orderly, and efficient. Then I lived in Wilmington Delaware, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and DC, and it reminded me too much of the third world.

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Re:LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed by colechristensen on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @11:56PM (#42641750)

Not every city is drowning in those kinds of liabilities.

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Re:LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed by darth_avocado on Thursday January 09, 2025 @04:55PM (#42650191)

Insert Homer Simpson meme “Not every city is drowning in those kinds of liabilities, yet”

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Re:LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed by Terr_ on Thursday January 09, 2025 @01:59AM (#42642384)

> It's not like suburbs aren't sitting on financial bombs either.

Reminds me of a video (part of series), titled "Why American Cities Are Broke - The Growth Ponzi Scheme". Previous HN submission and discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32495647

TLDR: Suburban and certain commercial development is money-loser because tax-revenue is way under the long-term costs of the infrastructure to support it, and already denser areas (including the housing of poorer people) are subsidizing spread-out/richer zones.

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Re:LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed by xyzzyz on Thursday January 09, 2025 @10:27AM (#42646565)

This is just false, and a quick look at any municipal budget is enough to confirm it. Infrastructure costs are small fraction of spend of any municipality. It’s typically under 10%. Making infra spend twice aa efficient will only increase ability to spend by 5%, which is equivalent to two years of revenue growth. The growth Ponzi scheme people say that it’s all deferred maintenance and in long term it will collapse, but it simply has not happened anywhere, even in places where suburban development pattern has existed for three quarters of a century.

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Re:LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed by telotortium on Friday January 10, 2025 @02:27PM (#42659116)

My impression has been that Strong Towns' analysis of the growth Ponzi scheme was correct, or at least not obviously incorrect, in its original context, which was watching small towns far away from large cities become hollowed out by people moving outside the city limits into unincorporated land. If you actually look at the examples on the original Strong Towns' site, you will see that they're largely not suburbs or even exurbs of major cities.

But both that site and its readers have tried to apply that conclusion to suburbs of major cities, which is ludicrously wrong to anyone that actually knows anything about the causes of municipal bankruptcy (almost always due to pension obligations , and often in a vicious cycle with high taxes raised to pay for pensions that drive away residents).

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