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Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by dmazin on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @09:41AM (#42622805)
As a leftist, while this is concerning, it's also important to remember that Meta censors left content as much as it does right content.

So, while this announcement certainly seems to be in bad faith (what could Mark mean by "gender" other than transphobic discussion?), this should be a boon both for far-right and left discussion.

Does that mean increased polarization and political violence? Surely, surely.

Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by nailer on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @11:34AM (#42624284)
> So, while this announcement certainly seems to be in bad faith (what could Mark mean by "gender" other than transphobic discussion?)

Thinking that everyone that disagrees with you on with transgender ideology is in bad faith indicates you probably don’t understand what bad faith is. There is no lack of honesty or trust here -people just do not wish to participate in other peoples gender performances.

Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by GuinansEyebrows on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @01:24PM (#42625571)
> people just do not wish to participate in other peoples gender performances.

The “bad faith” is in the pretending that we don’t all participate in gender performance with every single person we come into contact with, every single day, for our entire lives.

Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by nailer on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @08:09PM (#42629775)
The post you are responding to does not claim otherwise.

Again: it is specifically pointing out that other people are not obliged to participate in your performance.

You can act, have whatever cosmetic surgery or take whatever hormones you like.

Where your rights end is asking me to refer to you based on your performance rather than your sex.

Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by spencerflem on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @09:43AM (#42622840)
You know that this announcement is made to win favor with Trump. I would not expect that leftism will be any more allowed
Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by dmazin on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @09:45AM (#42622871)
I agree. At the very least, it's using Trump as cover.

That said, if they remove the political filter, they're opening the door for all discussion (even from the left).

Of course, they could surreptitiously filter out the left. Hell, why not?

Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by spencerflem on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @09:56AM (#42623000)
That's my guess as to what they intend to do.

Just moving the needle for allowed content to include transphobia and racism.

Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by lapcat on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @10:04AM (#42623086)
> this should be a boon both for far-right and left discussion.

If by left discussion you mean discussion of the genocide in Gaza, don't count on it, because this censorship is bipartisan in the United States.

Zuck cares about currying favor with the powerful. He doesn't give a crap about the powerless. Also, he's pretending that Texas, the proposed site for content moderation, is not politically biased, which is laughable. "We're moving from a blue state to a red state" is not a serious proposal for reducing or eliminating bias.

Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by nailer on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @11:36AM (#42624298)
The genocide conspiracy theory is all over instagram and twitter in the United States.
Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by lapcat on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @11:57AM (#42624572)
Conspiracy theory?
Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by sjsisixkxkkxxx on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @03:45PM (#42627235)
> If by left discussion you mean discussion of the genocide in Gaza

It’s also a right wing complaint, and they’re also silenced for bringing it up.

Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by spencerflem on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @04:59PM (#42628146)
Everytime someone calls Biden "Left Wing", I roll my eyes. So it's quite possible that you have a different definition of Right Wing than I do.

But Trump, Fox News, and the Republicans are absolutely actively aiding the genocide and squashing dissent.

Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by jl6 on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @01:45PM (#42625803)
He explained it in the next sentence. If people are free to say it in Congress they should be free to say it on Meta platforms too, and that includes a range of non-binary opinions that aren’t intrinsically istphobic.
Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by pasimm on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @04:49PM (#42628013)
> while this announcement certainly seems to be in bad faith

Not really though. It means that feminist campaigners can advocate for single-sex spaces and services without the looming threat of being banned. This is great news and a win for free speech.

Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by ausbah on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @07:45AM (#42633592)
there are plenty of TERFs on Meta’s platforms already
Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by pasimm on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @10:03AM (#42634958)
That's good, hopefully they can speak more freely now.
Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by alicesmemories on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @06:55PM (#42639962)
it is undeniably in bad faith. the ToS was updated to use the phrase "transgenderism" which is used exclusively by right-wing anti-trans actors.

https://transparency.meta.com/en-gb/policies/community-stand...

Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by etri on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @07:14PM (#42640105)
It's used by left-wing gender-critical feminists too.
Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by zahlman on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @08:54PM (#42630074)
>it's also important to remember that Meta censors left content as much as it does right content.

This is a bold claim. I see a lot of people in this discussion that seem to have a very different experience. Your point would be much stronger with evidence, if only to calibrate everyone's understanding of what you mean by "left content".

>what could Mark mean by "gender" other than transphobic discussion?

From what I've been able to tell the last several years, the overwhelming majority of your ideological opponents here have no interest in visiting physical harm upon others simply because of how they view and present themselves. They just don't want to be, or feel, compelled to treat the other person's self-image as an objective fact. Some of them additionally have concerns about capacity of minors to give informed consent for the related medical procedures, or consider it suspicious that the prevalence of such self-identification has risen drastically in recent years (to the point that they imagine social pressures toward such identification).

>Does that mean increased polarization and political violence? Surely, surely.

I have seen statements like this from your opponents interpreted as veiled threats in the past.

Re:More Speech and Fewer Mistakes by FireBeyond on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @12:13AM (#42631175)
> Your point would be much stronger with evidence, if only to calibrate everyone's understanding of what you mean by "left content".

I think it's extremely likely that people will see the "de-ranking" of content they agree with as bias, regardless of their place on the spectrum.

Similar: "Biden must have committed election fraud, because all of my friends voted for Trump and I don't know anyone who voted for Biden." (previous election, obviously) Well, is that because no-one voted for Biden, or that the friends/content you see is tuned to how you lean.