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Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by swat535 on Monday January 06, 2025 @01:54PM (#42613947)
And the court of law later determined that this was an abuse of power and unlawful. The fact that there is an existing law that can be abused does not negate the argument that abusing it is unlawful.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by throw0101d on Monday January 06, 2025 @02:45PM (#42614733)
> And the court of law later determined […]

And an Act-mandated commission said it was warranted:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Emergency_Commiss...

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by roenxi on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:32PM (#42615366)
On April 25, 2022, Prime Minister Trudeau selected Rouleau to be the commissioner of the Public Order Emergency Commission inquiry into the invocation of the Emergencies Act, which had occurred in response to the 2022 Canada convoy protest.

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rouleau

That is one step removed from Trudeau investigating himself, we're not talking the gold standard of systemic independence here.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by j-krieger on Monday January 06, 2025 @06:26PM (#42617324)
Each political side loves laws like this until the other side gets in power.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by snapplebobapple on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @01:35PM (#42625708)
That's the bigger picture problem with Canada (and nearly every place else). Our laws assume the government is the good guy, when they should be assuming the government is public enemy number one.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by eli_gottlieb on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:20PM (#42615230)
And in the Canadian system, are appointed commissions or judicial rulings supreme and overriding over the other?
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by charlieyu1 on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:26PM (#42615299)
In common law systems it is part of government review and is not meant to be a ruling on events already happened.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by rdtsc on Monday January 06, 2025 @04:19PM (#42615985)
That sounds a bit like "The police carefully investigated themselves and firmly established that no abuse or wrongdoing took place".
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by chmod775 on Monday January 06, 2025 @09:26PM (#42618494)
I've read this comment multiple times and now I'm greatly confused because it does not appear to be meant humorously.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by moralestapia on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @10:03AM (#42623071)
At some point in history it was legal to own slaves ...

The law is a tool for the service of a community, not the other way around.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by graeme on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:42PM (#42615507)
iirc the finding was that it was within the power of the province to handle the situation.

The thing is, the province wasn't using the powers it had to handle it. The situation was obviously an emergency. You can't just let a convoy of heavy vehicles occupy your national capital indefinitely and say "not a problem, the provincial govt could theoretically handle this"

I'm not sure the Quebec kidnappings would have met the threshold either. There's a strong argument to be made that the law around the emergencies act is a bad law.

The court's finding meant ANY emergency powers would have failed to meet the standard.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by throwaway94721A on Monday January 06, 2025 @04:59PM (#42616439)
It may have been an emergency in the first days with the honking. That largely stopped after a week or so.

They switched to camping in front of the parliament with bouncy castles etc.

The bridge that was occupied in another province was cleared.

I'm really not under the impression that at the time they went in there was any emergency. It was ugly: Peaceful unarmed protesters in pedestrian zones with no trucks in sight were pushed back by squads with assault rifles and loud tear gas grenades. People with assault rifles stormed delivery vans.

The narrative at the time was that of a huge "far right" (what a surprise ...) conspiracy. No proof has ever emerged, it was just an abuse of power of the "left" who were at the peak of their power back then.

Good riddance, Trudeau.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by zht on Monday January 06, 2025 @09:35PM (#42618535)
yea if you ignore the public shitting, public pissing, drunkenness, the harassment of locals, then yea, it was only bouncy castles, or stuff like this

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42613957

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by nailer on Monday January 06, 2025 @09:46PM (#42618617)
Pissing and drunkenness a characteristics of nearly all western societies.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by lazide on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @02:10AM (#42620114)
If that is the worst complaint anyone had, that’s basically - any time there is a bunch of people around?
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by pcthrowaway on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @04:55AM (#42620967)
I guess you also think they should use the emergency act on the downtown east side of Vancouver then?
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by hoseja on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @08:45AM (#42622212)
Are you describing the truckers?
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by josv on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @09:16AM (#42622511)
I see a lot of posts like this, and this is straight up disinformation. I'm not assuming it's willful, since disinformation breeds disinformation, but here's my account as someone who lives here and is glad Trudeau resigned.

The idea that it was a few days of honking then bouncy castles is nonsense. It was an extended occupation of the downtown of the capital. Endless trucks and other vehicles, many with their wheels removed, back-to-back fully blocking a large section of the downtown for weeks. Yes, honking – and loud truck air horns.

There really was chaos downtown, and not the hand-wringing "poop in the street in SF" type. And a lot of it did have right wing vibes. Examples: A well known café had its large window with a LGBTQ illustration smashed. There was while when emergency workers needed escort downtown because of racist abuse. (I was downtown, I heard and saw a ton myself.) Just incredibly dumb stuff: A soup kitchen was intimidated and raided.

And yes, it was financially supported by the "right", including a lot of American money.

Yes, there was a site with bouncy castles and kids playing, but that's obviously not a problem. There's protest in Ottawa all the time, and it's sometimes inconvenient, and that's life in the capital.

The last straw for me wasn't even the chaos in Ottawa, but the protest shutting down the Ambassador bridge in Windsor. That's really bad. Ontario's auto sector is huge, and the perceived reliability and predictability of the flow of intermediate goods across the border is everything to that sector. Interrupting it has an enormous immediate and ongoing economic impact. (I'm not sure where you get your information, but the bridge is also in Ontario.)

None of that is to say that the emergencies act was the right tool. My fairly uninformed impression is that there were tools short of the act that should have been used.

But it's frustrating seeing disinformation and revisioning like this stand. Please reconsider whatever news sources are providing you with this false information.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by lordloki on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @09:27AM (#42622642)
So you support abusive authoritarianism, but only when it's from your side?
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by josv on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @10:12AM (#42623173)
I really don't. I wasn't in support of vaccine mandates and passports, and agreed with some of the truckers demands because in a democracy the bar for protecting personal autonomy and freedom should be incredibly high.

But I also think it's not an unreasonable point to disagree on. There are cases where we curtail freedom for emergencies. That's just a fact. That doesn't mean believing in authoritarianism. And, especially early in the pandemic, there was a lot of uncertainty about how apocalyptic it was going to be.

Flip side, since the mass vaccination has been incredibly valuable, policies that undermine public trust in vaccination hurt us as a society down the line and the bar should be particularly high for them! It's often said the most valuable tool for epidemiology is public trust.

The whole thing was idiotic. There was already a public discussion about when the vaccine mandate for truck drivers was going to be removed. There was plenty of of ground for more useful discussion.

So, to answer your question:

> So you support abusive authoritarianism

Great question, but no I do not. I think the government overreacted (too coercively). The freedom convoy, however was a real problem that needed ending. If that sounds like abusive authoritarianism to you, I'd invite you to share your opinion about traffic signs, prohibitions against cannibalism, and publicly funded hospitals.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by rubatuga on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @01:51AM (#42620004)
You could also drive around the bridge ...
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by ckdarby on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @04:34AM (#42620847)
Why does everyone have to suffer at the hands of a few?

Overwhelmingly Canadian's wanted the vehicles removed - I recall no public empathy. If not, there would have been overwhelming public outcry and a follow up larger movement protest that would have called for no-confidence motion in that moment.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by threeseed on Monday January 06, 2025 @02:48PM (#42614769)
If you're going to talk about the law then words absolutely matter:

Abusing a law is not by itself unlawful. You always need to actually do something unlawful.