I know some chinese people very well and even they have been warning about spies on campus for years.

I don’t buy the xenophobia argument.

As an Chinese expat, I have indeed heard rumors about undercovers from Chinese three letters agencies in events organized by dissentients (like falungong) and I would try my best to avoid being involved.

However I hope the collateral damage to the innocent Chinese expats can be minimized. The reason of many of those to stay outside of China are concerns about the the ruling party and the desire to keep a distance from it. (Admittly also a higher quality of life, but no longer true in many cases.)

Regardless of who you know, don't you think these claims are partly driven by, and drive, xenophobia - the same xenophobia and nationalism being applied to many things?

So? You might need to confront the possibility that these are not the evils you've been led to believe they are. It appears they may well be healthy, rational, vital traits for a people to survive and thrive. A population that actively resists or perverts these natural behaviours through xenophilia is not long for this world.

I don't need to wonder, I can see the vivid trail through history of oppression, hate, violence, and destruction of humanity and everything it builds.

> natural behaviours

Always the argument of people perpetrating evil (or nonsense): It's natural! Murder, rape, hatred ... killing your sibling or parent is natural - it's in the Bible! Starvation, disease, warfare, cheating on your partner, theft, ... every bad thing is natural.

So is every good thing, and many/most/all cultures have long said you have the moral choice, in Abrahamic religions ever since we left Eden. We have the knowledge of good and evil.

> A population that actively resists or perverts these natural behaviours through xenophilia is not long for this world.

Nothing is worse for humanity than warfare, and it's common cause is xenophobia and nationalism. The West has done very well embracing new immigrants. The USA is almost all immigrants or their decendents.

You don't have to embrace hate or these nonsense arguments. The treasures of freedom and peace and justice are at hand; you only have to take them up. They are far more capable and productive than these fears - look at the most free, most safe, most prosperous countries in the history of the world, with no peers or competition. They are all built on universal human rights - universal!

Unfortunately for your cause, we have reached a point where mass non-White migration into "White" nations has occurred for so long now and with such consistently poor and predictable results that many of us are accepting the incontrovertible realities of this process.

Until very recently in human history, there was no real evidence for what kind of society would manifest if people of all different ethnicities were forced into close geographical proximity with an imposed 'harmony' of sorts (of course, previously, any time different tribes came into contact, there would be violent conflict).

We have that picture now. We don't like it. It's a catastrophe. Whether it's terrorism, espionage, nepotism, or even simply subjective cultural differences, multiracialism is a disaster for White people. We know what a supermajority White nation looks like, and we now know what a minority White economic zone looks like, and we are able to make an informed, rational decision on the future we want for our children.

This is just ignorance and hate, fabrications that don't pass even the most basic examination, all to rationalize racist white supremacy.

If you want to identify dangers to you, don't do it by skin color. Look at the people telling you to be afraid, to hate, urging you to it. Those aren't good people, and they don't have your interests at heart. They are using you for truly bad things. No respected leader in US history or elsewhere does those things - think of Washington, Lincoln, Churchill, etc.

The only problem is you believing this nonsense. Stop and I promise, your life will be easier and all these supposed threats will vanish as soon as they leave your mind. I spend much of my life in integrated environments, with absolutely no hint of a problem. Everything is fine, until the bigots show up.

Now if we could deport bigotry, imagine how much more peace and happiness we'd have. What a waste of life it is.

This mindset is driven by hatred of White people and ignorance of White achievement and culture. I am White. My children are White. From where I am standing, there is no greater evil than someone righteously trying to erase my kind from the earth. You may not realise that that's what you're preaching, or you may not even care - you may even see it as a moral good, as many people (including many Whites), do nowadays - but that will be a consequence of your ideology. It is therefore my moral right, and indeed my duty, to resist it by any means necessary.

> This mindset is driven by hatred of White people and ignorance of White achievement and culture.

Those are the lies people are telling you to encourage fear and hate - that someone out there hates you. I truly don't think about white people, achievement or culture, ever, and I never hear anyone discuss them, except white supremacist leaders trying to create hate and fear. You might as well say I hate people in some village in the Peruvian mountains - they aren't in my consciousness.

Now that you mention them, that's because I don't think of them as groups that exist beyond white supremacists - in my experience, it's a worldview limited to white supremacists - nor do I think that the definition of whiteness makes sense. Nobody else I know or talk to ever mentions them, or ever talks about erasing them or anyone at all.Could you give an example of what you are concerned about?

And whatever you believe or like, I hope you worship / follow / enjoy it to the fullest. My opinion is irrelevant to that. Governments are there to protect your rights, as Jefferson wrote, and I'd be outraged if anyone tried to take yours and your culture away and I'd want to protect them; I'd want our government to protect them.

Where support, love, and tolerance for others stop is when the others are parasites on freedom - when they use theirs to take freedom away others. And that's what racism and white supremacism do. Then I'm going to protect the people you attack just like I would protect you.

Of course the leaders of hate and fear have rationalizations why it's ok. Bad people always do. Tthe devil never says 'I'm the devil and these are bad things'. People are misled, seduced, and hate and fear have historically been the most common means.

Let's all protect each other's freedoms. That's what it's all about. Let's get together and then we're invincible. People who want to weaken you try to split you apart.

White people are a tiny global minority, and yet everywhere we exist in numbers is currently a target of mass immigration of non-Whites. This is not an accident. Soon there will be nowhere on earth for our people to live in peace and harmony among ourselves.

You're mistaken if you think it's a virtue to ignore this. If you are White, it's disgraceful. If you have White kids, it's unconscionable.

I'm sure you realise that I could turn back all of the things you said on your own position. I see endless demonization, fear-mongering, prohibition, ostracism, censorship and lies about White nationalism than any other movement in the West. Your government hates White people. It misleads you to hate us and to fear White collectivism.

What do I care for freedom if my great grandchildren have no homeland? are despised minorities in a soulless economic zone? are freely assaulted and killed by foreign authorities? don't exist...? That's such a suicidal, nihilistic ideology.

Stronger together indeed. White unity at every opportunity.

What a hot steaming load of White Supremacist Bullshit.

> I'm sure you realise that I could turn back all of the things you said on your own position. I see endless demonization, fear-mongering, prohibition, ostracism, censorship and lies about White nationalism than any other movement in the West. Your government hates White people. It misleads you to hate us and to fear White collectivism.

I really don't. If you could give me some examples, it would help. Also, I don't think of 'turning back' what you say, but maybe I misunderstand you or just don't know about something.

> White people are a tiny global minority, and yet everywhere we exist in numbers is currently a target of mass immigration of non-Whites. This is not an accident.

Do you mean that someone or some group is intending to disrupt 'white' societies? Who and why?

If whites are a minority, normal demographic patterns that cause change over time would seem likely to cause the minority communities to become more integrated - just a matter of numbers

> are despised minorities in a soulless economic zone? are freely assaulted and killed by foreign authorities?

Could you share some examples of these things happening? I really don't know about it.

As just one anecdote, I've lived in places where 'white' people were a small minority, and there was no problem at all. There was no mention of or discussion of a problem.

The only discrimination I see in my experience is when other people are minorities among whites - then some white people discriminate against the minority.

> Soon there will be nowhere on earth for our people to live in peace and harmony among ourselves.

Your idea of 'our people' is, I think, one that few share. Most white-skinned people don't identify with skin color, in my experience. For example, I far more often hear people say they are part Polish, Irish, etc. I've only heard very few - white supremacists - say they only want to live with other white-skinned people.

That doesn't mean you can't have your perspective. But other people aren't attacking you - they don't even think or care about it. Twisting it into fear and hate is what evil leaders do, to get people to do evil things.

Also, you are responsible for the consequences of your words and actions (and so am I) - if people die, you have the blood on your hands. There's no excuse for it. And it's predictable that spreading hate, especially white supremacy, leads to evil results.

I don’t disagree with your sentiment, but you will even find ghosts if you look hard and long enough.

Nothing has changed in terms of HN moderation. You shouldn't conclude anything from one data point (or a handful of them) - there's far too much randomness.

dang would have to weigh in but it might be accepted because it’s not that far fetched? Look at all the other allegations in the economist article we’re discussing - in the context of all that flagrant conduct asking state funded students to rat on others is relatively tame.

It seems like it would play right into spies hand, if you convince people "don't even think this is a possibility!"

This reminds me of the paradox of tolerance. You know there would be no hand wringing in china about whether they could even discuss the possibility that some Americans in china could be spies.

> The geopolitical tone has trickled down to tech

Of course. China is in America's telecommunications systems. It's a problem:

https://fortune.com/2024/12/27/china-espionage-campaign-salt...