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Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by amarcheschi on Friday December 20, 2024 @01:30PM (#42473478)
I just googled arc agi questions, and it looks like it is similar to an iq test with raven matrix. Similar as in you have some examples of images before and after, then an image before and you have to guess the after.

Could anyone confirm if this is the only kind of questions in the benchmark? If yes, how come there is such a direct connection to "oh this performs better than humans" when llm can be quite better than us in understanding and forecasting patterns? I'm just curious, not trying to stir up controversies

Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by zebomon on Friday December 20, 2024 @01:34PM (#42473537)
It's a test on which (apparently until now) the vast majority of humans have far outperformed all machine systems.
Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by patrickhogan1 on Friday December 20, 2024 @01:36PM (#42473559)
But it’s not a test that directly shows general intelligence.

I am excited no less! This is huge improvement.

How does this do on SWE Bench?

Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by og_kalu on Friday December 20, 2024 @01:41PM (#42473613)
>How does this do on SWE Bench?

71.7%

Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by throwaway0123_5 on Friday December 20, 2024 @02:01PM (#42473815)
I've seen this figure on a few tech news websites and reddit but can't find an official source. If it was in the video I must have missed it, where is this coming from?
Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by og_kalu on Friday December 20, 2024 @02:03PM (#42473836)
It was in the video. I don't know if Open ai have a page up yet
Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by Eridrus on Friday December 20, 2024 @01:43PM (#42473635)
ML is quite good at understanding and forecasting patterns when you train on the data you want to forecast. LLMs manage to do so much because we just decided to train on everything on the internet and hope that it included everything we ever wanted to know.

This tries to create patterns that are intentionally not in the data and see if a system can generalize to them, which o3 super impressively does!

Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by yunwal on Friday December 20, 2024 @02:14PM (#42473952)
ARC is in the dataset though? I mean I'm aware that there are new puzzles every day, but there's still a very specific format and set of skills required to solve it. I'd bet a decent amount of money that humans get better at ARC with practice, so it seems strange to suggest that AI wouldn't.
Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by ALittleLight on Friday December 20, 2024 @01:36PM (#42473552)
Yes, it's pretty similar to Raven's. The reason it is an interesting benchmark is because humans, even very young humans, "get" the test in the sense of understanding what it's asking and being able to do pretty well on it - but LLMs have really struggled with the benchmark in the past.

Chollett (one of the creators of the ARC benchmark) has been saying it proves LLMs can't reason. The test questions are supposed to be unique and not in the model's training set. The fact that LLMs struggled with the ARC challenge suggested (to Chollett and others) that models weren't "Truly reasoning" but rather just completing based on things they'd seen before - when the models were confronted with things they hadn't seen before, the novel visual patterns, they really struggled.