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Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by Dylan16807 on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @12:23AM (#42448317)
> The ATF is simply going on function rather than form. It shoots like a machine gun it is a machine gun no matter what you call it.

The part where it breaks down is pointing at a specific piece that enables automatic fire and calling that piece a "machine gun", even if it's just a tiny piece of metal or a specially-tied shoelace.

Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by AceyMan on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @01:48AM (#42448592)
If it carries the "machine gun" ability with it, it's like ... The Enchanted Seer of Automatic Firing.

It turns a 'plain gun' into a machine gun, and there are almost no other ways to do that. So it seems like calling it "a machine gun" is reasonable from linguistic perspective. #wittgenstein

Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by Dylan16807 on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @02:13AM (#42448681)
I don't think the "almost no other ways to do that" part holds up.
Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by lostlogin on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @12:06PM (#42452363)
Yes, other countries manage. Restricting gun ownership rather than machine gun ownership is one approach.
Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by LorenPechtel on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @10:39AM (#42451329)
No.

The seers have been banned. I don't think anyone thinks they're not machine gun parts.

What's been going on is the ATF has been going after a variety of methods of circumventing the concept--means of using the recoil to "pull" the trigger without the operator actually pulling it. The result sure acts like a machine gun, albeit an unreliable and inaccurate one. The problem is that it's simply too easy to do, they are fighting a hopeless battle.

My understanding is the same problem applies to silencers--plenty of filters out there that just happen to be of the right size to function as silencers. And there isn't even any reason for the rules against silencers. They aren't like Hollywood, it's still loud but below the threshold of hearing damage.

Re:FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices by zerocrates on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @11:03PM (#42458319)
Though that's not what the Supreme Court actually held when tossing the bump stock ban: they instead said that a gun equipped with a bump stock isn't a machine gun and that's why the ban was invalid.

The case entirely hinged on the definition of machinegun being a gun that fires more than one shot "by a single function of the trigger" with the majority saying that because you need to keep forward pressure to keep firing, bump stocks don't count.

The aspect of bump stocks being just a part and not a gun wasn't important to the case because the statute is clear on this point: any part that's intended to convert a regular gun to a machine gun is itself a machine gun under the relevant law.