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Re:Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intell... by nottorp on Monday December 16, 2024 @12:38PM (#42433247)
> It's interesting that there is this division between programmers who claim LLMs are super helpful, and those saying they are useless.

My take is: if the project is doing something that has been asked a thousand times on stackoverflow and has hundreds of pages in the tutorial content mills, the LLM will tell you something reasonably meaningful about it.

I'd hazard a guess that most people overenthusiastic about those tools are gluing together javascript libs.

This is not necessarily a bad thing, we even asked a LLM today at work to generate some code for a library that we didn't know how to use but seems fairly popular, and the output looked like it would make sense. (Can't tell you how it ended up because I wasn't the one implementing the thing.)

However, we also spent 2 hours in a group debugging session because we're working on a completely custom codebase that isn't documented anywhere on geeksforgeeks, stackoverflow or anywhere else public. I highly doubt that even a local LLM would be able to help, and no way this code is leaving the premises.

Re:Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intell... by llm_nerd on Monday December 16, 2024 @12:54PM (#42433410)
>if the project is doing something that has been asked a thousand times

There are many billions of lines of high-quality, commented code online, covering just about everything. Millions of projects. All of Linux. All of Android. All of PGSQL and SQLite and MySQL and Apache and Git and OpenSSL and countless encryption libraries and countless data tools, video and audio manipulation, and...

Every single project is absolutely dominated by things that have been done many, many thousands of times. The vast bulk of your projects have zero novelty. They're mixing the same ingredients in different ways. I would think any experienced developer would realize this.

>I'd hazard a guess that most people overenthusiastic about those tools are gluing together javascript libs.

At this point it's comedy how often this "oh I understand that the noobs get value from this, but not us Advanced Programmers". It's absurdist and honestly at this point I just shake my head. My day is filled with C++, Python, Rust, Go, the absolute cutting edge of AI research, and I find these tools absolutely invaluable now. They are a massive accelerator. Zero JavaScript libs or "LOL WEB DEV" programming in my life.

Re:Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intell... by nottorp on Monday December 16, 2024 @01:09PM (#42433594)
Yes, you mentioned those things that are documented everywhere. I do use LLMs to give me skeleton code for those parts I'm not familiar with.

How about a full equivalent of Qt that is proprietary and has absolutely nothing public in it? How is a LLM going to help with that? There is no public info anywhere.

> the absolute cutting edge of AI research

No offense but there are billions of public pages about "AI" research since it's the new gold rush. Of course LLMs have material about all your libs.

Re:Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intell... by llm_nerd on Monday December 16, 2024 @01:20PM (#42433699)
>but there are billions of public pages about "AI" research

Billions? For many of the things I am working on there are zero public pages outside of research papers. I said nothing about working with libs. Again, I'm not asking an AI "here's my project now finish it", I'm working with AIs for the countless little programming challenges and needs. Things that mirror things done in many, many other projects, most having nothing to do with my domain.

As an aside, starting that with "no offense" as an attempt to make it insulting is...weird.

I feel like this discussion is taking place ten years ago. The weird reference to StackOverflow is particularly funny.