News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by jasonjayr on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @08:11AM (#42387354)
What he did was beyond mere defamation. It was heinous, it was blatant and deliberate dishonesty, and targeted vulnerable victims.

Repeating the verifiable lie that the Sandy Hook incident did not happen, and promoting violence against the surviving families, despite repeated opportunities to stop without penalty, is beyond forgivable.

And this penalty is because he declined to defend this behavior. Remember, it's a default judgement.

The conditioning to the public is that this behavior is not tolerated in a civil society, no matter what your political leanings. Him losing his "intellectual property", but not his voice, is getting off lightly.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by strogonoff on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @08:31AM (#42387488)
Calling what Alex Jones has done (repeatedly, for quite a while) “dishonesty” is a bit like calling the Ukrainian war “special operation”.

Targeted harassment, defamation, libel, intimidation? Sure. Dishonesty, however, doesn’t seem to even remotely cut it.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by Thinkx220 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @08:34AM (#42387505)
When did he voice support for violent actions against the sandy hook families? Could someone link me to a clip?
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by ceejayoz on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @08:51AM (#42387655)
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by JacobThreeThree on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @12:07PM (#42390008)
I've also never seen video of him inciting people. But supposedly he did? Does someone have the actual evidence?
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by petsfed on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @01:46PM (#42391261)
For one, he specifically gave financial and logistical support to Wolfgang Halbig so that he could harass the families of the victims.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by im3w1l on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @11:58AM (#42389859)
It's clear how these people operate. Everything is black or white, good or bad. If someone is bad, then they are wholly evil and every allegation against them is true, no proof required. The key goal is to destroy him and the exact justification used is an unimportant detail.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by rbanffy on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @10:41AM (#42388858)
> Him losing his "intellectual property", but not his voice, is getting off lightly.

Indeed. This should be a matter of criminal charges. Jones should be in jail.

OTOH, he would, of course, be pardoned in a couple months.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by dublin on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @11:45AM (#42389690)
No matter how heinous you may find his speech, in America, under the First Amendment, Jones (or any nutball or even Nazi you may choose to pick) has a right to say it - even if he has a large Radio and Podcast megaphone.

The First Amendment is nearly absolute, and must protect unpopular and offensive speech even more than it protects popular speech.

(Don't start with the bogus "fire in a crowded theater exception" - that wording comes from Schenk v. United States (which was not even a 1A case, but involved the Espionage Act), and was nearly entirely overturned in 1969's Brandenburg v. Ohio. The clear falsity of the "Fire!" claim has repeatedly and wrongly used as a justification for suppressing speech for a century, to the detriment of us all.)

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by jasonjayr on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @12:37PM (#42390376)
I don't disagree with you.

As much as I'd personally enjoy never hearing from or about him again, I agree that 1A is an extremely important right that should be defended, even if you hate what the person is saying.

But free speech does NOT mean freedom from consequences. Taking away infowars does not stop him from continuing to speak his nonsense.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by mindslight on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @01:48PM (#42391285)
(nb this is not a defense of Alex Jones or the events of the article, please read my whole comment to understand my point)

> But free speech does NOT mean freedom from consequences

Freedom of speech most certainly means freedom from coercive consequences. Or do you think the first amendment merely prevents the government from engaging in physical prior restraint such as putting duct tape over your mouth, and post facto punishment is legal? Ultimately this "consequences" refrain is a broken talking point that was arrived at by people arguing for the attractive cryptofascism of big tech censorship [0].

The right answer is that there are "exceptions" [1] for freedom of speech based on other concepts. For example, forming a contract (especially a verbal one) is done entirely through speech but yet still commits parties to performing other actions in a legally enforceable way. Defamation and harassment are other concepts that get equitably weighed against the ideal of freedom of speech. And those last two are what Jones ran afoul of.

[0] It started off something like "... consequences from private parties" and then the last bit got dropped because the focus wasn't a good faith discussion of freedom but rather a cheering on of the consequences. See also the fake libertarians saying "edgy" things like those who can't afford food should die - their focus isn't really the freedom but rather it's the death.

[1] In actuality they are not exceptions but rather equitable balances. The axiomatic-foundation framing of rights is a dead end, as it intrinsically supports the cryptofascism of denying rights through an ever-increasing amount of preconditions.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by wakawaka28 on Friday December 13, 2024 @01:14AM (#42406318)
You are 100℅ right but on here this kind of insightful comment is usually downvoted. I should have way higher karma but I have a bad habit of pointing out things that should be obvious to at least the Americans here. Keep up the effort!
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by buttercraft on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @12:45PM (#42390476)
Is he prohibited from speaking? Or just being held accountable for what he already said?
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by samatman on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @01:49PM (#42391307)
You may wish to look up the concept of 'jawboning' if you're under the misapprehension that this sort of workaround to the First Amendment is generally supported by historical jurisprudence.

You're going to be hearing that word a lot in the next four years. May as well get a head start on it.