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Re:Google says AI weather model masters 15-day forecast by jacobgkau on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @04:16PM (#42381608)
When climate change occurs (which it is), we're going to want a causal one so we can actually make a forecast instead of predicting only based on past (unchanged) data.
Re:Google says AI weather model masters 15-day forecast by hotstickyballs on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @04:19PM (#42381633)
What does a causal weather model even mean?
Re:Google says AI weather model masters 15-day forecast by IshKebab on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @04:23PM (#42381690)
He meant one that is physically based and interpretable, rather than a black box based on pattern matching.

But I'll take the accurate black box any day, at least for weather forecasting. Climate modelling is a totally different thing.

Re:Google says AI weather model masters 15-day forecast by labster on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @07:28PM (#42383314)
Accurate black box is fine until it blows a forecast and people die, and you want to fix it for the next time.

Take the situation with Hurricane Otis — what do you do if an AI doesn’t detect cyclogenesis 24-48 hours beforehand? Are we sure tuning the model to detect this event will improve forecast skill in general, or will it make it worse?

Re:Google says AI weather model masters 15-day forecast by nradov on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @07:48PM (#42383465)
Weather forecasting models will gradually improve over time but it's unreasonable to expect perfect accuracy. That is mathematically impossible in a chaotic system. Some people will always die in extreme weather events.
Re:Google says AI weather model masters 15-day forecast by SpaceManNabs on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @05:42PM (#42382479)
Doesn't exactly answer your question, but maybe this link will give enough intuition so that i can be lazy and hand-wave away an answer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Why#Chapter_1:_The...

Re:Google says AI weather model masters 15-day forecast by SpaceManNabs on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @05:41PM (#42382464)
ahhhh i was hoping someone wouldn't mention this. i wanted to add a caveat but it made my comment look ugly lol.

but like someone else says weather and climate models forecast on different scales and for different purposes usually.

Re:Google says AI weather model masters 15-day forecast by ted_dunning on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @11:02PM (#42384663)
Nothing prevents people from training new models.

And note that these new models based on machine learning are already better at predicting extreme events. This is because existing models are not built entirely from first principles but rather include a lot of heuristics to describe important phenomena like cloud formation and albedo effects. That means that traditional models are just as rooted in weather-as-it-was as the machine learning models are. The big difference is that it takes a lot of work to identify the dependencies in traditional models while it takes less work to retrain the machine learning model.