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Re:What Arm's CEO makes of the Intel debacle by deelowe on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:39AM (#42355616)
In a nutshell, Intel's board was focused on extracting value from the company instead of innovating. While this was going on, compute was undergoing a transformation as everything transitioned to cloud solutions. By the time they realized, it was too late and the rot had set in. Now the company is full of mediocre middle managers and principles who spend all day playing politics instead of working on real problems.
Re:What Arm's CEO makes of the Intel debacle by bud_davis on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:10AM (#42355994)
exactly the same as every other F500 company...
Re:What Arm's CEO makes of the Intel debacle by deelowe on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:53PM (#42362127)
Nvidia says otherwise.
Re:What Arm's CEO makes of the Intel debacle by ArtTimeInvestor on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:29AM (#42355843)

    board was focused on extracting value from the company
From the company? Extract to where?
Re:What Arm's CEO makes of the Intel debacle by orwin on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:01AM (#42355955)
Their own pocket I'd wager.

A simple way to check if a board/CEO wants to extract a lot of future value _now_ is to look into their accounting, and especially how they count physical assets.

If they count physical assets at their current selling price, you can probably get in long-term.

If they count them at their buying prices you might have to worry.

If they do 'future accounting', tying into assets their estimated future added value, you can be sure the current owners are extracting the most they can _now_ and will try to drop the bag into futures investors (or ask for a government bailout)

Re:What Arm's CEO makes of the Intel debacle by ArtTimeInvestor on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:17AM (#42356275)
What is the selling price of physical assets? I would think Intel is not a reseller, so they don't buy and sell stuff but rather buy raw materials and then transform them into a CPU?

And how would counting physical assets at their buying price move money from the company into the pocket of the CEO?

Re:What Arm's CEO makes of the Intel debacle by orwin on Sunday December 08, 2024 @10:40AM (#42357726)
Let's say Company A buy a machine to engrave CPU 10 millions (no idea of the real cost), half of it with debt.

In normal/traditional accounting, you put the selling price of the machine (if you have to liquidate the company) on the side of the asset: let's say 8 millions the first year, and 5 million on the debt side (they bought it with 5 million of investment money, leveraged with debt). Company has 8 millions in assets, 5 million in debt: good ratio, healthy company.

Company B use future accounting: it buy the 10 million dollars machine. On the 'asset' side, you put 16 millions: the machine is worth 8, and is expected to earn the company a net profit of 8 during its lifetime. On the 'debt' side, you put 5. 16/5, the ratio is truly excellent. So good even that you can afford to take another 5 millions, and buy share/issue dividends. Now your asset/debt ratio is 16/10=8/5, same as Company A, except either your current shareholders have already reimbursed the initial investment, derisking themselves totally if the company ends up failing.

I think you have a Republican primary candidate who used that with his drug company, the company failed to produce anything of value, but only late investors lost anything.

Re:What Arm's CEO makes of the Intel debacle by whatever1 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:03AM (#42355963)
Buybacks
Re:What Arm's CEO makes of the Intel debacle by astrodust on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:01AM (#42355958)
"Shareholders" meaning "executives".
Re:What Arm's CEO makes of the Intel debacle by newsclues on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:26AM (#42356311)
Dividends and share buybacks, to shareholders.
Re:What Arm's CEO makes of the Intel debacle by deelowe on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:06PM (#42361891)
Dividends primarily.
Re:What Arm's CEO makes of the Intel debacle by YetAnotherNick on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:42AM (#42356375)
> Intel's board was focused on extracting value from the company instead of innovating

But then they failed at that as well. Their share price almost never increased after 2000s. Currently they are valued lesser than their 1996's valuation, even if you exclude inflation. Highest they went was $263B valuation in 2021, which is nowhere close to tech giants.

Re:What Arm's CEO makes of the Intel debacle by deelowe on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:53PM (#42362126)
Intel is a dividend stock. You can't just look at share price.