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Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by globalise83 on Friday December 06, 2024 @04:31AM (#42338013)
As an immigrant father of 2 small children, living in Germany for the past few years, I have found that Germany has some real "hidden champions" amongst the tech-enabled learning products space. This Tip-toi product and associated ecosystem is one of them, and another is Tonies, which is a kind of audio player in a nice cushioned box that uses cartoon-like figures to choose which audio books to play.
Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by Vespasian on Friday December 06, 2024 @05:08AM (#42338228)
There was an interesting reverse engineering talk about tonieboxes on last years chaos communication congress [1]

It's in german and I can't speak to the quality of the english translation which is available

[1] https://media.ccc.de/v/37c3-11993-toniebox_reverse_engineeri...

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by weinzierl on Friday December 06, 2024 @05:06AM (#42338216)
Playmobil fits the bill as well. When I was a kid Playmobil and Lego were similarly popular and it was only much later that I learned that Lego is known everywhere but Playmobil is not. Playmobil is not as versatile as Lego but in my experience it is much better suited for outdoor play.

A more hidden champion is Ankersteine. I have one of their construction kits which is in my family probably since around 1885 and these kits are still produced today.

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by Slartie on Friday December 06, 2024 @05:24AM (#42338342)
Playmobil has a horrible number of super-small parts that'll go missing really quick when taken outside.

Lego has these, too, of course, but with Lego you at least have the benefit of being able to infinitely combine these parts to build stuff from them. Playmobil is "dumb" in that regard, you can't combine anything except in those ways in which it was specifically designed to be combined.

The real alternative to Lego in my opinion is Duplo, from the same manufacturer. They have no really small parts at all, so these are really good for outside play. But still infinitely combinable.

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by smartmic on Friday December 06, 2024 @06:17AM (#42338694)
There is also Playmobil Junior [1] for toddlers - also no small parts and really robust. They also have very nice water and bathtub toys for indoors and outdoors.

[1] https://www.playmobil.com/en-us/content/junior_themepage/jun...

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by SushiHippie on Friday December 06, 2024 @07:53AM (#42339359)
There is also fischertechnik, how popular is it outside of Germany?

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischertechnik

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by qurashee on Friday December 06, 2024 @08:53AM (#42339798)
Not a good sample but I've lived in three European countries with my kids and I've never come across them before.
Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by weinzierl on Friday December 06, 2024 @11:10AM (#42341053)
How could I forget to mention fischertechnik. It was the third member of the three most popular toys in my childhood, next to Playmobil and Lego.

Other than Playmobil and Lego I have not seen toy fischertechnik for years, but I occasionally recognize their non-toy fixings.

Fischer was the most prolific German inventor with 570 patents, who amongst other things invented the plastic wall plug.

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by ralfd on Friday December 06, 2024 @03:52PM (#42344303)
The company website is almost a parody of the stereotype of serious German-ness. It is not a toy, no it is a serious learning material, so you can buy a 10000 Euro set to understand how an integrated factory is working:

https://www.fischertechnik.de/de-de/produkte/industrie-und-h...

There is a „toy“ section for children, but it is to learn about electricity or renewable energy, and I think the real customer of the page are not the depicted children, but the papa with an engineering degree.

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by fastasucan on Friday December 06, 2024 @08:04AM (#42339430)
Wonder if that follows germanic languages. "Playmo" is well known in Norway.
Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by homarp on Friday December 06, 2024 @10:03AM (#42340428)
Playmobil also well known in France and Spain

https://www.playmobil.com/es-es/

https://www.playmobil.com/fr-fr/

and based on the dropdown at the bottom, quite a lot more countries

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by wjnc on Friday December 06, 2024 @05:39AM (#42338446)
Ankersteine is very beautiful. Thanks for the tip. I think I would enjoy that myself. The bigger boxes are 16+ in age! I would probably struggle. And this on the day that 'Sinterklaas' leaves.
Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by peepee1982 on Friday December 06, 2024 @04:41AM (#42338058)
I am a father of three small ones in Austria. The Tonies are cute, but I find them just so frivolously expensive!

My children loved to listen on audio books on CDs (can be rented from libraries or bought for cheap) or on an old 1st gen iPod.

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by ce4 on Friday December 06, 2024 @07:04AM (#42339011)
I got ours all used in bundles. The box itself is rather repairable (broken silicone ears, dead sd card, dead battery) and there are sometimes very good deals on Kleinanzeigen classified ads.

Also what helps: resale value is great, so after the Tonies have had their time and your kids become older... just sell them off.

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by bonzog on Friday December 06, 2024 @07:30AM (#42339191)
The thing I dislike most about Tonies is that they don't licence the original recordings for lots of the movie/TV themed characters.

They licence the songs and then record them in-house and goodness me some of them are disappointing if you are familiar with the real soundtracks. The Moana one has the same two singers doing impressions of every character.

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by Slartie on Friday December 06, 2024 @05:10AM (#42338244)
We have the "Jooki Box" in use since its inception (the version before the current one), and it's a pretty good substitute. Allows to connect figurines to Spotify playlists, so if you have a Spotify Family subscription, you have a huge number of songs and audiobooks for kids at your fingertips with no additional cost.

The original box itself was way more expensive than the Toniebox, like double the price, but I think they've made it considerably cheaper when they released the second hardware version of it. And the original box still works until today, continues to be supported by their app and has already been built in a very sturdy way (I've opened it up once to add magnets inside, so the figurines stick on it, which they normally don't do - that's the one thing the Toniebox people got right).

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by cojo on Friday December 06, 2024 @10:00AM (#42340405)
It seems the company behind this product has gone out of business and the product itself is no longer sold (their e-commerce site is still up, but the shop is empty)?

Which is a bummer, as I went looking after your comment - Toniebox is great but I agree it feels overpriced on the content side (perhaps it isn’t, if their competitor couldn’t make the business model work…)

https://old.reddit.com/r/jooki/comments/1eltdcm/muuselabs_ha...

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by niemandhier on Friday December 06, 2024 @04:48AM (#42338103)
Check your local library, ours has dozens of these tonnes.
Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by Xylakant on Friday December 06, 2024 @04:53AM (#42338127)
Time to advertise the Phoniebox https://phoniebox.de/, building you own Tonie clone with NFC chips and a raspberry pie. (some assembly required)
Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by peepee1982 on Friday December 06, 2024 @07:02AM (#42338993)
That's great! I was looking for something like this when my oldest was around three. He's ten now, my youngest is three.

I might build this with my children together.

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by tjungblut on Friday December 06, 2024 @09:32AM (#42340151)
Get a flipper, you can simply download and emulate all of them
Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by cjrp on Friday December 06, 2024 @10:19AM (#42340573)
We got a Yoto instead; uses NFC cards and you can record your own easily.
Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by smokeydoe on Friday December 06, 2024 @10:51AM (#42340864)
I can vouch for the Yoto. We make our own cards and update them with new books and music whenever we want. You can add a custom icon that displays for each track.
Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by matttproud on Friday December 06, 2024 @11:07AM (#42341021)
Father of children in Switzerland:

You might want to check out https://www.hoerbert.com. This is a remarkably well-built, low-tech alternative. It is somewhat primitive, but the company seems willing to indulge customers who are technically inclined.

As an adjacent thought on the Hörbert device:

Since we live very far away from family (transatlantic flight), we decided to have our relatives record themselves reading books for our kids. They shared the audio files over Google Drive, and we could load up the audio files onto the Hörbert device so that our kids could listen to their custom audio books whenever they wanted. It provided a nice way to help the kids feel connected with the grandparents and such. With the Hörbert, all that involved was ejecting the SDK card and amending its contents on a normal computer.

Re:Reverse engineering the Ravensburger TipToi pen by joezydeco on Friday December 06, 2024 @10:45AM (#42340815)
I just saw these Tonies at Target (USA) last night, it looks like that store got the exclusive distribution rights for the US. $99 for the starter box? Wow.