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Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by toomuchtodo on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @10:33AM (#42318433)
This is the comment that has been in my head since the news broke, and I feel like we are only at the beginning, like the pause before the first drop of a rollercoaster with the forward looking macro (political and economic tension, broadly speaking). Laws and rules only matter so long as we're all willing to believe they do.
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by ryandrake on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @10:51AM (#42318638)
Same here. With as many guns and victims of corporate greed that we have, I'm actually pretty shocked that we don't see this happening as routinely as, say, school shootings.

I wonder if we'd see slightly more ethical behavior from corporations if their C-level staff and board members had to routinely practice lock-down drills because they were getting offed once a week.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by Zigurd on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:27PM (#42321693)
Kids can be more cruel than a health insurance company?
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by klipklop on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @06:55PM (#42323355)
Doubt it. They will just never leave their island compounds and other fortresses. There have been many news stories lately of these guys building up compounds and bunkers. Many of them off-shore and entirely unreachable by the general public.

Many of these CEO types never interact with the general public without many armed men around them. I would not expect them to act any more ethical than they currently are.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by Teever on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @10:14PM (#42324495)
That won't hold people back.

We've all been watching how effective drones have been in the Ukraine war and there's nothing stopping a motivated individual with nothing to lose from droning a corrupt elected official, a cop who brutalizes innocents or an oligarch.

It's just a matter of time before this happens.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by sleight42 on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @09:46PM (#42324290)
See "cyberpunk", Gibson et al.

The rich will isolate themselves further behind even more surveillance technology, more physical barriers, and, because that is never enough, inordinate amounts of paid thugs.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by sbalough on Thursday December 05, 2024 @01:18AM (#42325471)
Not so fast, probably just killer bots…thugs are screwed too
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by lazystar on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:45PM (#42342807)
and what health insurance will they provide to those paid thugs and the thugs' extended families, hmm?
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by sbalough on Thursday December 05, 2024 @01:17AM (#42325466)
Nah, folks’ll forget about it in a few days and go back to perpetuating or worrying about stuff like trans & immigrant bashing.
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by nameless912 on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @12:55PM (#42320025)
I don't know how to write this comment in a way that won't land me in a CIA black site so I'll just start with a disclaimer that this post in no way celebrates or condones any violence, but I wouldn't be surprised if political assassination attempts go up 10-fold in the next 10 years. We already saw two different assassination attempts against Trump during the lead up to the election. You can read my older comments to know my political leanings, I don't like Trump. But wow, I'm genuinely more worried about the stability of our society because of increases in violent acts like this and the inevitable retaliation by the government against all people in the name of "security", than anything Trump could enact.

I wouldn't be surprised if New York passes new gun control laws because of this shooting; I wouldn't be surprised if there's a congresscritter or White House Staffer or judge who's assassinated in the next several years causing some kind of martial law situation. It's scary times we live in right now.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by dole on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:39PM (#42321205)
New York State and City (separate firearms laws) already has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, requiring permits for purchasing pistols within NYC, concealed carry licenses throughout the state, magazine size limits, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_York

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by JBlue42 on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @04:11PM (#42322093)
>I wouldn't be surprised if New York passes new gun control laws because of this shooting; I wouldn't be surprised if there's a congresscritter or White House Staffer or judge who's assassinated in the next several years causing some kind of martial law situation. It's scary times we live in right now.

This is most likely going to happen with an incoming authoritarian gov't anyway.

Do recall that one Congress critter, that is very pro-gun was shot at a baseball game, survived, and still stood against gun legislation. We'll see if things change if the wind shifts and more rich people (the Congresscritters' owners) are targeted.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by throwaway48476 on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @04:51PM (#42322427)
Federal judges are the only people in this country that privacy laws apply to.
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by klipklop on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @07:04PM (#42323412)
I know you are half-joking, but it shows how worrying things are related to public discourse where you need such a disclaimer at the start of your argument.

The scenario you describe is rather frightening. Let's hope the "CEO class" (for lack of a better term) and the general public will allow reason and ethics to win out.

One thing that is for certain, there should be better legal limits to what companies can get away with. We need our justice system to get involved well before vigilante's start running amok. The US government should have stepped in a full decade ago to reign-in United Healthcare's misconduct and fraud.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by torified on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @10:56PM (#42324807)
>Let's hope the "CEO class"... will allow reason and ethics to win out.

They won't. They're making billions out of others suffering.

>general public will allow reason and ethics to win out

"Ethics". It's a trolley problem... if a person through their actions enables many people to die, is it wrong to kill them?

To paraphrase Chris Rock... I ain't saying he should have killed him... But I understand.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by ModernMech on Friday December 06, 2024 @12:49PM (#42342143)
> Let's hope the "CEO class" (for lack of a better term)

The term you are looking for is "oligarchs"

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by OutOfHere on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @08:39PM (#42323941)
Trump is an exceptional case who genuinely is feared to democracy itself as risk. The logic doesn't carry over to most other national politicians, although it absolutely can at various local levels.

Besides politicians, corrupt private leaders are at risk.

I am also not convinced that assassinations will make society less stable. At least in the targeting assassin's mind, it's intended to make society more stable by eliminating corruption.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by sbalough on Thursday December 05, 2024 @01:20AM (#42325484)
It’ll get worse. You forgot to throw in unrest due to mass workforce displacement from ai / bots
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by EA-3167 on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @01:12PM (#42320219)
Relevant XKCD https://xkcd.com/1958

I think people skip over this a LOT, but it's the basis for society and was long before we had the means to track down most killers and bring them to any sort of justice. Most people, even when given freedom from consequences and ample opportunities, are not murderers.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by torified on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @11:06PM (#42324859)
>Most people, even when given freedom from consequences and ample opportunities, are not murderers.

I don't necessarily disagree with this completely, but it's also worth noting how easily people seem to go with the status quo, eg criminal gangs, nazism, support of genocides, etc.

I think most people have a bit of killer in them, given the right circumstances.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by sbalough on Thursday December 05, 2024 @01:28AM (#42325543)
Not murderers of others they consider to be “in” their own “group”. But murderers of out group folks seems like it just depends on enough rage and desperation to build up.
Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by JBlue42 on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @04:09PM (#42322077)
>Laws and rules only matter so long as we're all willing to believe they do.

And everyone has seen it thrown in our faces for a year or so now what the blatant two-tiered system looks like. On a longer time scale if you want to count the lack of consequences for those behind an attempted coup in 2021 and a recession that harmed millions of lives in 2008.

If the government won't hold people accountable, and people are pushed to their ends, then things like this can happen. As OP stated, thankfully, it doesn't happen as often as one would think given our society. It does take a lot to murder someone else.

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by torified on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @11:01PM (#42324835)
When the government doesn't represent people any more, it's natural for people to represent themselves.

And who feels represented by their government these days?

Re:UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan by toomuchtodo on Friday December 06, 2024 @11:43AM (#42341378)
Matt Stoller does a far better job explaining than my comment did.

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/an-assassin-showed-just-h...