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Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by plastic3169 on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @06:42AM (#42305126)
I think about this Brain Eno quote often. It’s always surprising when old worse formats resurface, yet it happens everytime.

> Whatever you now find weird, ugly, uncomfortable and nasty about a new medium will surely become its signature. CD distortion, the jitteriness of digital video, the crap sound of 8-bit - all of these will be cherished and emulated as soon as they can be avoided.

Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by crazygringo on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @07:46AM (#42305553)
What did he mean by CD distortion?

I'm also not super clear on how digital video would have jitter in a way that analog video wouldn't?

I totally agree with his overall sentiment, I'm just a bit confused on the specific examples.

Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by jcarrano on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @08:35AM (#42305875)
I read that, at least early on, many CDs were mastered with inadequate dithering, resulting in audible quantization noise.
Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by nayuki on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @07:28PM (#42313297)
Good questions. CD distortion include hard clipping from amplifying too much, whereas vacuum tubes and magnetic tape have soft saturation (still a distortion, just a different kind). Another distortion is that dynamic range compression is used, bringing up the volume of quiet parts of a song.

As for digital video jitter, I can think of MPEG compression artifacts, both spatial (e.g. DCT mosquito noise) and temporal (e.g. motion compensation errors, periodic keyframe refreshes).

Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @07:55PM (#42313463)
That is bad mastering, not an inherent property of CDs.
Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by shiroiushi on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @08:33PM (#42313669)
It's not, but it's very, very common, basically the rule in fact, starting I think in the early 2000s.
Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by numpad0 on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:45AM (#42315651)
There is something in CD that is noticeable by listening to vinyl, CD, and optionally mp3. I'd say CD makes everything sound like a harpsichord, but just ever so slightly. Maybe it's encoding or maybe it's decoding. Or something else. It's a first generation digital format, after all.

Analog videos never stutter but digital formats tend to have non-constant processing cost and do stutter occasionally. Maybe he's referring to that?

Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by crazygringo on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @07:37AM (#42316839)
> I'd say CD makes everything sound like a harpsichord

Ha, that's a great description. Yes -- you're hearing more high frequencies.

Which is by design, because they're there in real life. Vinyl cuts off the highest frequencies, as do MP3's.

Nothing to do with first generation though -- if you listen to a FLAC on your computer with wired headphones the highest frequencies are still there.

It's a feature not a bug. :)

Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by jhbadger on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @06:59AM (#42305230)
Absolutely. Like those terrible filters that are supposed to make video look like it was recorded on VHS. They always make the results far worse than VHS actually was in practice.
Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by ahartmetz on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:20AM (#42315493)
VHS didn't always look noisy and distorted, but it always looked blurry and had horrible color bleeding. I disliked it even though it was the "only" technology at the time and we didn't have it at home.
Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by naoru on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @08:27AM (#42317222)
Nope, color bleeding was virtually non-issue with SECAM color encoding. I've grown up in a SECAM country, but we had a lot of PAL content. PAL always looked bad and smudgy in comparison. NTSC was just plain awful and intolerable even by my pre-teen standards.
Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by ahartmetz on Saturday December 07, 2024 @08:04PM (#42354162)
Are you sure that PAL reception/tapes and possibly "yeah we also do that" PAL implementations were good in your region? I'm from a PAL region and broadcast PAL looked just fine to me. Only VHS PAL looked blurry. VHS's very low horizontal color resolution was a VHS limitation, AFAIK not much to do with how color phase errors were averaged out across lines in PAL vs SECAM.
Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by karel-3d on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @07:25AM (#42305408)
In 30 years, people will be nostalgic for TikTok.

Some people might even be nostalgic for Bing. (People are nostalgic for Clippy after all.)

In other words.... you are not nostalgic for the thing itself. (The thing kind of sucks.) You are nostalgic for your childhood.

Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by jcarrano on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @08:37AM (#42305891)
People are now corrupting mpeg video intentionally. They call it "datamoshing". And of course there is glitch art, and the "vhs look" filter being (over) used everywhere.
Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by joenot443 on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @09:18AM (#42306265)
An account called Natspone plays with this idea in shortform vertical videos, I find it incredibly bizarre and unsettling. I should forewarn - you're probably not going to enjoy the style at all.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C3HtsLXOgui/?hl=en

Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by lancesells on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @12:27PM (#42308667)
This is brilliant
Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by JKCalhoun on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @07:00PM (#42313091)
Lynch shit, for sure.
Re:Vintage digicams aren't just a fad. They're an artistic s... by pimlottc on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @12:48PM (#42308926)
This is a big thing for early synthesizers. Many of them tried quite hard to accurate emulate real instruments - pianos, horns, strings - but inevitably failed due to limitations of their time. But many of them became classics in their own rights, to the point that later synths emulated them. And now, of course, you can get software versions of the same synths which do an incredible job of reproducing every last detail of a hardware instrument that did a bad job of emulating an analog one!