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Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by lolinder on Monday December 02, 2024 @02:23PM (#42299427)
The lungs, mammary glands, uterus, ovaries, vagina, placenta, semen, eyes, skin, and nasal cavity all have their own documented microbiome so far, and we've been finding out about new microbiomes about once a year. They are not a thing that is reserved for the digestive tract.
Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by __MatrixMan__ on Monday December 02, 2024 @02:35PM (#42299540)
If you were to simplify the human body to a sphere (or torus... or whatever corresponds with the number of orifices that a human has), then all of the microbiomes you've listed would be on the exterior. The brain (and heart and kidneys and liver and bones and...) would not be.

The microflora would need to have gotten there somehow, something analogous to endosymbiosis. But unless they're somehow getting from brain-to-egg-to-brain that's hard to explain. As for the others, they're easier, all being along the surfaces. Even the gut is on the "outside" in that membranes need not be crossed in order to access it.

Although counterpoint: the same argument would apply to a fish so I guess it's not impossible. Just more surprising.

Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by Wilsoniumite on Monday December 02, 2024 @03:07PM (#42299854)
I think it depends a bit on how you count but I've heard it is an 8 holed donut
Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by __MatrixMan__ on Monday December 02, 2024 @03:41PM (#42300182)
It also differs between individuals (e.g. one can develop a fistula).
Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by eru on Monday December 02, 2024 @06:32PM (#42301522)
Or get a piercing.
Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by InDubioProRubio on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @05:07AM (#42304607)
So getting pierced, puts one topological outside of baseline humanity?
Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by __MatrixMan__ on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:24AM (#42307097)
I suppose it does. Be careful, you wouldn't want to end up homeomorphic to the wrong crowd.
Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by moi2388 on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:46AM (#42307382)
Aren’t tattoos injective?
Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by kazinator on Thursday December 05, 2024 @03:03AM (#42326010)
When two artists do each other's backs, bijective.
Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by worksonmymach on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @07:11AM (#42305323)
If I met a 8 holed donut I'd tear it a new one.
Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by __MatrixMan__ on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:28AM (#42307155)
I expect I'd start by tearing it one fewer: now a seven holed donut with some stubs.
Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by 725686 on Monday December 02, 2024 @06:36PM (#42301564)
Michael Stevens of VSauce fame has you covered with his "How Many Holes Does a Human Have?" video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egEraZP9yXQ

Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by tmnvix on Monday December 02, 2024 @09:10PM (#42302387)
Thanks for mentioning this. I really enjoyed the video and learned a thing or two. Would recommend!
Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by weberer on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @07:05AM (#42305277)
We already know of harmful pathogens that can infect the brain, such as Borreliosis. The only jump now is the fact that there could also exist harmless bacteria.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8232152/

Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by adrian_b on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @11:53AM (#42308288)
Spirochetes are much more efficient than most bacteria at moving through very viscous media, which include the obstacles encountered when moving through an animal body.

Thus, both the spirochetes causing Lyme disease and those causing syphilis have high chances of reaching even the brain, while traveling through the body.

Fortunately, for the bacteria employing other means of locomotion it is usually more difficult to pass through many of the internal body tissues, as long as those are intact.

Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by mschuster91 on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:28AM (#42307138)
> But unless they're somehow getting from brain-to-egg-to-brain that's hard to explain.

There are pathways from the outside to the brain - most notably the nose and the eyes. The former have a known pathogen pathway (naegleria fowleri, a virtually 100% fatal parasite), the latter are actually an immunoprivileged site [1] and investigations are ongoing what the role of eyes is in the transmission of H5N1 bird flu.

[1] https://www.aao.org/eye-health/tips-prevention/eye-immune-pr...

[2] https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2024/06/04/...

Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by outworlder on Monday December 02, 2024 @02:35PM (#42299539)
The brain is _unusually_ protected though. There's nothing like the blood brain barrier basically anywhere else. Most the the tissues you mentioned are exposed to the environment in some way. There aren't many ways to reach the brain without getting inside the body first(sensory organs being the obvious pathway, but even that is a stretch).

Not saying it's impossible, just that the skepticism is warranted.

Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by forgotoldacc on Monday December 02, 2024 @08:41PM (#42302221)
> There's nothing like the blood brain barrier basically anywhere else.

There is. The placenta and, oddly, prostate as well.

Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by BurningFrog on Monday December 02, 2024 @02:37PM (#42299553)
Those are all organs that are directly exposed to outside materials.

For the more internal organs, bacteria would have to travel across a skin of digestive tract barrier.

Unless they're present in the womb as the fetus starts growing, I guess.

Re:Fish have a brain microbiome – could humans have one too? by askvictor on Monday December 02, 2024 @03:42PM (#42300195)
Indeed, those organs expose to the outside world have reason to cultivate friendly bacteria for no other reason than to take up space, to stop hostile bacteria having a place to take hold.