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Re:The Most Hated Way of Firing Someone, the PIP, Is More Po... by FireBeyond on Friday November 29, 2024 @12:02PM (#42275191)
Worked as a PM at a well known tech company, great relationship with my director. He leaves, new director comes in and within three months I'm on a PIP. I'm given a list of work products to create for a new offering that has been discussed, which on the face of it are entirely reasonable, and the standard 30 days.

100% ghosted by my Director. Weekly 1:1s? He no-shows 2 of them. Near zero input. In "fairness", I knew what was happening, but had some tiny semblance of good faith. Hah.

Final meeting, he shows up with HR. "So we've been talking about (when?) and I have just completed my final review of the documents you created (bear in mind these have had significant input from multiple stakeholders who, not for nothing, generally approved), and I am still left believing that your output is not up to the quality or depth that we expect from our PMs, so..."

I pulled up the receipts, because why not? I think he may not even have known that GDocs provides good metrics on documents, including who has viewed, and when, and how many times. I did this with the HR person sitting awkwardly there. "You reviewed this document? GDocs says you've never accessed it. And this one? Never accessed. What about this deck? Never accessed."

At that point he turned his cam off and clumsily handed it over to the HR person. They asked if I'd like to follow up, but that the company would support the Director's decision. Fine, didn't expect any different. They did acknowledge that they could see too that he hadn't done anything to even present a token perspective that the PIP was anything other than firing with 30 days notice.

Lives and learns, we do.

Re:The Most Hated Way of Firing Someone, the PIP, Is More Po... by bn-l on Friday November 29, 2024 @01:42PM (#42275991)
Can you sue or something in that situation?
Re:The Most Hated Way of Firing Someone, the PIP, Is More Po... by asdff on Friday November 29, 2024 @01:47PM (#42276036)
For what? You can be fired whenever in most jobs. Most you can do is tell the story on linkedin and make the manager look like an ass. No point in maintaining bridges that go straight to the dump.
Re:The Most Hated Way of Firing Someone, the PIP, Is More Po... by justahuman74 on Friday November 29, 2024 @04:01PM (#42277078)
May depends on if the company tries to stop unemployment insurance kicking in
Re:The Most Hated Way of Firing Someone, the PIP, Is More Po... by greatgib on Saturday November 30, 2024 @07:39PM (#42285187)
Something like harassment maybe? Either there is an official redundancy plan and that would make sense, but otherwise it is quite the proof that the work is not in question but like a personal vendetta. Or that the director was trying to defame you by attempting to ruin your reputation with a conspiracy?
Re:The Most Hated Way of Firing Someone, the PIP, Is More Po... by charlie0 on Friday November 29, 2024 @02:48PM (#42276528)
Were you able to collect unemployment?

My understanding is the PIPs are to provide proof of "low performance" and that "low performance" can be used as an excuse for the company to not pay out unemployment insurance.

Re:The Most Hated Way of Firing Someone, the PIP, Is More Po... by 1123581321 on Saturday November 30, 2024 @03:37AM (#42280390)
Laws vary by state, but you can almost always collect unemployment if fired for low performance. I’d be surprised if a company were to fight UI on those grounds.
Re:The Most Hated Way of Firing Someone, the PIP, Is More Po... by mh- on Friday November 29, 2024 @03:43PM (#42276962)
You should probably know that individuals can disable[1] showing up in documents' view histories. I've had this option set for as long as I can remember.

1: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/7378739 (ctrl-f "limit")

Re:The Most Hated Way of Firing Someone, the PIP, Is More Po... by ipaddr on Saturday November 30, 2024 @01:33AM (#42279999)
What a rookie director. Most would cut your access during the meeting.