Re:Hetzner cuts traffic from 20 TB –> 1..5 TB on US VPSs
by justinclift on Thursday November 28, 2024 @09:23AM
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Sounds like a completely legitimate use though. Hetzner were widely telling people about that 20TB limit, so why would they be surprised when people use them as CDN boxes?
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Re:Hetzner cuts traffic from 20 TB –> 1..5 TB on US VPSs
by sdwr on Thursday November 28, 2024 @10:49AM
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Where's the surprise? It's the classic business 2-step - drum up interest with "too good to be true" features, then cut them back. The marginal customers who need those features leave (and are too expensive to keep), everyone else is used to your product and stays.
Re:Hetzner cuts traffic from 20 TB –> 1..5 TB on US VPSs
by baq on Thursday November 28, 2024 @10:54AM
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MBA value extraction 101.
Re:Hetzner cuts traffic from 20 TB –> 1..5 TB on US VPSs
by gchamonlive on Thursday November 28, 2024 @04:51PM
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That or they just didn't dimension well their prices and now it's biting them back.
I prefer to assume naivety over malice/negligence.
Re:Hetzner cuts traffic from 20 TB –> 1..5 TB on US VPSs
by asyx on Friday November 29, 2024 @03:01AM
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Hetzner has been in this business for a very long time and I’m sure half the German small to medium sized companies use Hetzner. They have costs as well and with virtual servers they just assumed the usage pattern was similar to their eu data center and that didn’t work out so they increase the prices a bit. So that on average their calculation works out again.
Like, this is not Netflix tripling the prices over a few years.
Re:Hetzner cuts traffic from 20 TB –> 1..5 TB on US VPSs
by yurishimo on Thursday November 28, 2024 @09:40AM
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Until you remember that marketing is a separate department from finance which is a separate department from ops/engineering.
The engineers said 20TB in aggregate was fine but likely didn’t consider the “bad apples”. Marketing obviously wants to use the biggest numbers and then finance comes in with the hammer and dev points to egress as an simple way to upset rhe fewest number of real customers.
Re:Hetzner cuts traffic from 20 TB –> 1..5 TB on US VPSs
by hyperpape on Thursday November 28, 2024 @10:04AM
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As an engineer, if you don't qualify whether your answer is average or max, you've messed up.
Re:Hetzner cuts traffic from 20 TB –> 1..5 TB on US VPSs
by drpossum on Thursday November 28, 2024 @10:27AM
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I'm confident the marketing folks would just say something akin to "shut up nerd", cash their bonuses, and leave you with the problem.
Re:Hetzner cuts traffic from 20 TB –> 1..5 TB on US VPSs
by cluckindan on Thursday November 28, 2024 @10:36AM
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As an engineer, NEVER give out averages without checking that they are consistent with the distribution of the actual data.
Re:Hetzner cuts traffic from 20 TB –> 1..5 TB on US VPSs
by phil21 on Thursday November 28, 2024 @12:17PM
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Averages tend to skew once exposed to adverse selection.
Re:Hetzner cuts traffic from 20 TB –> 1..5 TB on US VPSs
by Moru on Friday November 29, 2024 @04:09AM
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Don't think you find much engineers in the marketing department though.
Re:Hetzner cuts traffic from 20 TB –> 1..5 TB on US VPSs
by bmicraft on Thursday November 28, 2024 @05:31PM
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It does make sense: The average was low enough that a 20TB cap worked. Then marketing started boasting about the 20TB limit and attracted a bunch of high-bandwith customers, thereby driving up the average making 20TB decidedly "not fine".