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Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by smitty1e on Thursday November 28, 2024 @10:04AM (#42265738)
It's a great theoretical point.

> The tools, the practices, all built around the premise that software and data teams don’t work closely together.

In particular, the various teams, even the same team with itself, end up being separated along a timeline.

Information Technology ends up being the embarrassment we all face that our data are rarely, if ever, showing up dressed for work.

Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by jacknews on Thursday November 28, 2024 @10:12AM (#42265777)
Since the article uses lots of big words, phrases and memes (when a few simple words would suffice), and assumes you know it already, Conway's law is simply that your technical architecture will reflect your social/organizational architecture.
Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by orbat on Thursday November 28, 2024 @11:42AM (#42266655)
"Big words, phrases and memes"? You got this distressed about an article using industry standard terminology for its target audience and assuming that you'd read (or would read) the post it linked to on Conway's law?
Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by arkh on Thursday November 28, 2024 @10:37AM (#42265982)
> provide “data APIs” to data teams

I feel like I'm reading part of Data Mesh again.

Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by robertlagrant on Thursday November 28, 2024 @01:00PM (#42267303)
Hah. That is a good reference. Never seen a concept boosted so much.
Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by dallasg3 on Thursday November 28, 2024 @11:03AM (#42266241)
I hate to say it, but good documentation is the key here. Visualizing data as interconnected nodes breaks down silos, aligns teams and makes it easier to build reusable, loosely-coupled systems.
Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by tspann on Thursday November 28, 2024 @11:39AM (#42266627)
reminds me nifi plus kafka
Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by datatrashfire on Thursday November 28, 2024 @12:13PM (#42266911)
I missed the part where there was an actionable takeaway about how I as a practitioner am supposed to differently.
Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by baq on Thursday November 28, 2024 @03:05PM (#42268201)
Conway’s law works both ways: if you want a system to be designed in a certain way, you create an organization who is building it in that way.

So, if you want a data mesh, build a mesh org. Not the easiest job.

Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by chevman on Thursday November 28, 2024 @03:57PM (#42268481)
Been in BigCo land for 20 years now, and have seen the rise and fall of quite a few data/analytics/BI/reporting/AI/ML fads.

Honestly the whole landscape seems broken and unproductive at this point.

Countless vendors, platforms, cloud environments, industry/technical jargon - all with different pricing models, SLAs, tooling, etc etc.

Getting anything usable is a challenge and most orgs spin in a never ending cycle of data integration/normalization work that produces little business value.

My advice to teams now is simplify, reduce, streamline - get to the kernel of what you think you need and protect it all costs. Most of the shiny new objects being pitched as silver bullets are just ways for other people to make money off your margin.

Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by heisenbit on Thursday November 28, 2024 @03:58PM (#42268485)
The article does not contain the words performance and security.
Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by ericyd on Thursday November 28, 2024 @08:20PM (#42269964)
This comment does not contain the word therefore.
Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by up2isomorphism on Thursday November 28, 2024 @04:57PM (#42268789)
Yeah, 100 people can literally implement what he is saying in 100 different way.
Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by AIorNot on Friday November 29, 2024 @01:49AM (#42271514)
As a 20 year veteran the biggest opportunity in new data space is potential for LLM unstructured data parsing and intelligent api integrations to break silos

This article assumes the business has a logical progression for its plans in question and then makes logical and somewhat rational decisions that lead to a operational estate vs a data estate when in realty it’s about budgets and pet projects and c suite whims and frank got fired after he brought in the last data engineering team who ended up building a data lake with a dashboard that one VP uses and know one else understands

Something gets built =>based on a limited dev budget it leads to something else getting built on top of it maybe if a consultant sells it well to an exec - ultimately it all becomes a complex spaghetti house of cards… or “data mesh”

Re:Dismantling ELT: The Case for Graphs, Not Silos by naijaboiler on Friday November 29, 2024 @01:38PM (#42275957)
I flat out disagree with the premise of that article. I think it is written from the perspective of an engineer that is primarily in the operational domain and only see the value of analytics domain as a supplier of data to the operational side.

The the truth is there are many many uses of data that isn’t transactional/operational and frankly have no need to be real time at all. So all the building and maintaining of graph network to deliver near real time data is just an unnecessarily over-engineered and unnecessary and costly complexity.

If your operational use cases are indeed near real time, please find some optimal way to do that. But don’t you dare assume many other data use cases need that