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Re:Nobody knows why ultra-processed foods are bad for you by ProfessorLayton on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @04:45PM (#42250399)
>The only way I can think of to add sugar to yogurt and ensure it is evenly mixed throughout its mass is to use some additive, probably some kind of stabiliser. I suspect that's what makes this kind of yogurt qualify for the ultra-processed category.

What?? I can't be the only one that gets plain greek yogurt and adds a tablespoon of honey or agave syrup and mixing it evenly before adding some granola + fruit. It's not that hard, and it's definitely not ultra-processed.

Re:Nobody knows why ultra-processed foods are bad for you by throwup238 on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @02:09AM (#42253695)
Honey and agave syrup have oligosaccharides that act as stabilizers. Fructans in agave, specifically.

As does molasses like when making refined sugar. Most unrefined sources of sugar naturally contain chemicals that act as stabilizers because it’s a side effect of many polysaccharides.

Re:Nobody knows why ultra-processed foods are bad for you by YeGoblynQueenne on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:22AM (#42255156)
Also "Greek yogurt" is normally strained so it's already stabilised and is less subject to syneresis.

Note that even with the stabilising effect of straining and honey, real Greek yogurt (the stuff without additives) is never sold with admixtures. Once you mix stuff in you really are changing the consistency of the product and therefore its storage and transportation profile.

There's a scene in Silicon Valley [1] where Elrich Bachman is complaining that people keep taking his narrow spoons that he needs to mix in the jam in the little tub attached to his "Fa-Yeeh yogurt" (spelled "Fage". Surprisingly he pronounces it right! I'm Greek).

Bachman is talking about this product, Fage's split-cup Total yogurts:

https://gr.fage/total-2-split-cup

The reason there's a little tub and you have to tip it in and mix it up after you buy it is exactly because once you've disturbed the yogurt by mixing things in it, you don't have yogurt anymore but a gloopy goo with the consistency of thick cream and that just doesn't travel very well, especially if you want to be exporting your yogurt from Greece (where Fage has its plants) to the US (where Bachman complains about his spoons).

Also that gooey gloop is not what yogurt is supposed to be like. But I suppose that's just a matter of habit.

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[1] https://youtu.be/ZR_taax1TUc?si=1TQM0vPrJY-9184l

Re:Nobody knows why ultra-processed foods are bad for you by ProfessorLayton on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:04PM (#42260691)
Right, but honey and agave syrup can also act as mild adhesives. I'm not sure anyone would consider them an adhesive any more than they would a stabilizer.
Re:Nobody knows why ultra-processed foods are bad for you by throwup238 on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @11:37PM (#42262489)
That’s such a silly argument I can’t even make sense of it. You’re not adding sugar, you’re adding honey or agave syrup which contain many more chemicals than just fructose and glucose. It also contains stabilizers. That’s why adding honey or agave works, but plain sugar doesn’t. They stabilize the mixture. That’s why I didn’t say they were stabilizers, but that they contained oligosaccharides that acted as stabilizers.

People use honey and agave in salad dressings for their stabilizing effect by the way, so they’re also used as stabilizers if you want to be that obtuse about it.

Re:Nobody knows why ultra-processed foods are bad for you by throwup238 on Sunday December 01, 2024 @05:43AM (#42287621)
Wut? The point wasn't that honey and agave are adhesives, it was that they don't need stabilizers when mixed with yogurt _because they already contain stabilizers_. Emphasis on the "already contain" and "stabilizer" parts.

People do use honey and agave as stabilizers in salad dressings, so obviously people consider them to be stabilizers </dumb semantic argument>